Just been told to remove my pronouns from my Teams profile

[Horrace]

I'm weak 🤣
My manager just phoned me to say there has been some serious complaints made about me that he must urgently address.
I panicked.
In the Pronouns section of my Teams profile, I have

'Take a Wild Guess'

Its been there for a few years. Its finally been noticed and I've been told to take it down because it's made someone or more than one possibly, FEARFUL of me.

Well yes. Because displaying your disgust like this - in a work place no less - adds to a feeling of unsafety. There is an emboldening of the public to express their distrust or dislike of a number of communities - the Jewish community for example, or "immigrants".

It's this kind of emboldening that makes a grown man think it's ok to call my 18 year old son and 22 year old trans daughter "dirty bastards" (in my hearing, I was picking them up from the train) for the crime of walking along side by side. My trans daughter was wearing a long flowery skirt, doc martens, and an anorak. They were coming home from the cinema. I assume this middle aged man thought they were lovers. He was well over twice their age, they obviously very young. They had no previous interaction with him whatsoever.

This time it was just what you guys call "hurty words". What you don't understand is that that was the first time ever that my autistic 22 year old has gone out in the evening with a sibling. That over the course of this year she has been growing in confidence and blossoming, doing some voluntary work, leaving the house more. That those "hurty words" made her feel unsafe in her community, and that it has undone in two words a year's worth of progress. Because this time, in her head, it was words. Next time it could be more.

It's not professional, at my workplace that would be a cause for termination.

Well it's inflammatory and not professional.

I agree with some of this. I think it is ridiculing people and that it’s unprofessional and inappropriate. Personally I think the notion of sharing “preferred pronouns” is ludicrous and not something that should be encouraged or expected in general. But I wouldn’t make fun of people who don’t share my opinion in such an unprofessional manner.

What if someone at work put in their email signature "those women who refuse to declare their marital status are woke snowflakes, and they don't deserve any respect"?

Mistakes or misjudgements are normal and I agree that people should be able to cope with these.

But OP was mocking the idea of preferred pronouns. I don't agree with them either, but I wouldn't want to mock or alienate anyone.

Thinking you have some innate gender identity separate to your sex is a metaphysical belief (like having a soul). So yes it is ideological.

Well maybe we are just not far along enough philosophically to understand any of it or usr useful language to express what is hoing on..Because it's not nothing, is it. Something is going on. I agree that we are biologically male or female. But beyond that, in the way our bodies move through space, the way we express ourselves, the way we think.....there is clearly a whole spectrum of stuff going on..Maybe we need completely new words to ' identify" people and allow them to ( comfortably ) inhabit their spaces.

sad times...

In other words, every human has a unique personality.

Still only 2 sexes.

I once changed my job title on my internal signature to Director of Chardonnay and Scotch Eggs. Nobody noticed 🤣

So why are women having to instigate multiple court cases to protect their sex based rights and spaces?

I have repeatedly explained on here that my trans daughter and her only trans friend do no such thing.

My trans daughter goes to trans swimming sessions. Even there she changes in the 3rd space. The 15 other trans people at that trans swimming session are also only using dedicated 3rd spaces for swimming, at least.

She does not ever use ladies toilets or changing rooms, or sports, or prizes, or anything.

Sure there's more going on.

Around how we interact/engage with societal stereotypes related to sex.

So let's just focus on not letting societal stereotypes define us, yes?

That's great.

But that's not how most men who identify as women behave.

Your gripe should be with those men, not with women defending our spaces.

It is absolutely ideological as @TheKeatingFive says.

And that's great.

The problem is that many trans people do feel they have the right to access other people's sex specific spaces. There are multiple cases being fought right now in the courts on this very issue.

So how do we tackle this problem?

That is hilarious! Love it!

Actually it’s not remotely witty or funny either. Just looks stupid and unprofessional.

You can consider that as ideological.

But it doesn't follow that sharing your pronouns is ideological. I've mentioned various ways that it's useful that have no connection with gender beliefs whatsoever.

Declaring pronouns that are clearly at odds with your sex is absolutely ideological

How do you know?

Do you know most men who identify as women?

I don't know any of these radical types. I know the trans man who teaches my daughter, and the one in the deli. I know the young trans woman at the corner shop, I know my trans daughter and her friend. I know the trans woman who works in our IT department.

None of them is a radical marcher. They are all just quietly living in a way that makes sense to them.

My "gripe" is with the dehumanizing language routinely and repeatedly used on this site about ordinary trans people. Referring to them as defined by the radical fringe. Calling them men in dresses. Thinking it's funny to openly mock in a professional environment. That kind of thing. Of course there is a radical element, like in every group.

No.

Biological women will always need spaces separate from biological males, no matter how those males identify.

For every person on this thread talking about their ‘lovely trans friend’ who just want to live in peace, there are currently violent males housed in woman’s prisons, and men routinely taking medals in women’s sports. They all occupy the same space under the umbrella of trans identity being more important than biological sex.

If you accept that one man should be treated as female if he claims to be a woman, you have to then accept that all men who claim this identity should be given access to women’s spaces. The only way to keep problematic men out is to keep all men out.

It shouldn’t be seen as mean to acknowledge biological reality. This ideology is hugely problematic for women.

Wow, the rusty, dusty apache helicopter 'joke'. SO edgy.

I think that’s what she said too?

A million times this.