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Just been told to remove my pronouns from my Teams profile

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Horrace · 18/12/2025 10:11

I'm weak 🤣
My manager just phoned me to say there has been some serious complaints made about me that he must urgently address.
I panicked.
In the Pronouns section of my Teams profile, I have

'Take a Wild Guess'

Its been there for a few years. Its finally been noticed and I've been told to take it down because it's made someone or more than one possibly, FEARFUL of me.

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AnSolas · 18/12/2025 20:39

Muffsies · 18/12/2025 20:24

Some people have gender neutral names and titles. I work in an academic institution, loads of people are Dr X, or their first name is not obviously gendered, or they have a foreign names that they can't readonably expect others to guess is male/female. Many of the academics from overseas appreciate thay everyone puts pronouns on their emails and profiles. I think it's prefectly reasonable to prompt someone to use the correct pronoun, and expect them to respect that. I wouldn't want to constantly be misgendered and have to correct people, would you?

Humans come in only 2 sex.

Is using she for a male using the correct pronoun?

Why should l prompt someone to change their language and use wrong sex pronoun?

Is there any problem when academics adopt the ideology that males who have "feminine" thoughts or act in a way which is attributed to being "feminine" are nolonger male but become or were always female?

SabrinaThwaite · 18/12/2025 20:40

Cybiil · 18/12/2025 20:26

Behaviour like OPs won’t get you respect in the workplace. On the contrary, you will prob sly be more likely to be sent to get the tea I would have thought.

See, this is when I think people have lost the plot.

No, you don’t get sent off to make the tea for making a (possibly ill judged) pronoun choice.

You get sent off to make the tea when the men can’t bear the fact that you’re female, well qualified and perfectly able to do the job, and because you’re the first women who has pitched up to challenge the status quo.

Helleofabore · 18/12/2025 20:42

If using sex based language, not someone’s chosen gender identity language, is necessary for accurate communication about the person or an issue or situation, why should gendered language take priority?

Cybiil · 18/12/2025 20:43

SabrinaThwaite · 18/12/2025 20:40

See, this is when I think people have lost the plot.

No, you don’t get sent off to make the tea for making a (possibly ill judged) pronoun choice.

You get sent off to make the tea when the men can’t bear the fact that you’re female, well qualified and perfectly able to do the job, and because you’re the first women who has pitched up to challenge the status quo.

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OP hasn’t challenged the status quo. She has just been immature.

PurpleAxe · 18/12/2025 20:46

"Make the tea", fuck off.

I am done with all of this shit. ALL of it. I treat people politely and professionally, but I am no longer engaging with any of this bullshit.

Any effect on my career, such as being sent to "make the tea" at my level will be met with a law suit for age/sex discrimination.

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 20:53

It sounds like you've become entitled and maybe even believe you're untouchable in this job. The thing is, you can't use having a long and successful career as an excuse for behaving any way you wish (any more, isn't it precisely what we're all trying to correct now?), and that's whatever your gender or pronouns. Respect applies all round nowadays. Apart from the fact that you laughed at your line manager, which is particularly unhelpful if they are sensitive or have a bit of an ego, by doubling down you may now be seen as unpredictable and unwilling to learn lessons. I'm not saying you should put down your pronouns in Teams or email, which you were never required to do in the first place and was a complete non-issue. I'm saying don't exhibit self-righteous behaviours and -why not- try and show a bit of humility. If you persist, don't be under any illusion, this will be escalated further up the chain at some point. You may get passed by for promotion next time or even made redundant (you may find yourself top of the list if they restructure). Importantly, everyone can have a lapse of judgement, particularly after a long year of sustained work, so it's really about how you behave now. A clever move may be to retake the diversity training, then tell your manager you've made this a priority because you realise you didn't react in an appropriate way and could have handled his feedback better. Basically, just modeling the behaviours which I'm sure you expect from your colleagues.

Millytante · 18/12/2025 20:54

HoneyParsnipSoup · 18/12/2025 18:53

Is Catholic a sort of quasi-ethnicity?

I remember Dara O’Brien saying despite being atheist he’s still Catholic.

I suppose I think of it more like supporting a football team than an ethnicity, even though they lose every other game! Though Dara has probably expressed it perfectly.

SabrinaThwaite · 18/12/2025 20:55

Cybiil · 18/12/2025 20:43

OP hasn’t challenged the status quo. She has just been immature.

Challenging the status quo is not a pre requisite for not pandering to the misogynistic gender identity cult.

Cybiil · 18/12/2025 20:59

SabrinaThwaite · 18/12/2025 20:55

Challenging the status quo is not a pre requisite for not pandering to the misogynistic gender identity cult.

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Not pandering is just not putting your pronouns isn’t it? Job done.

Horrace · 18/12/2025 21:02

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 20:53

It sounds like you've become entitled and maybe even believe you're untouchable in this job. The thing is, you can't use having a long and successful career as an excuse for behaving any way you wish (any more, isn't it precisely what we're all trying to correct now?), and that's whatever your gender or pronouns. Respect applies all round nowadays. Apart from the fact that you laughed at your line manager, which is particularly unhelpful if they are sensitive or have a bit of an ego, by doubling down you may now be seen as unpredictable and unwilling to learn lessons. I'm not saying you should put down your pronouns in Teams or email, which you were never required to do in the first place and was a complete non-issue. I'm saying don't exhibit self-righteous behaviours and -why not- try and show a bit of humility. If you persist, don't be under any illusion, this will be escalated further up the chain at some point. You may get passed by for promotion next time or even made redundant (you may find yourself top of the list if they restructure). Importantly, everyone can have a lapse of judgement, particularly after a long year of sustained work, so it's really about how you behave now. A clever move may be to retake the diversity training, then tell your manager you've made this a priority because you realise you didn't react in an appropriate way and could have handled his feedback better. Basically, just modeling the behaviours which I'm sure you expect from your colleagues.

Not untouchable. If you read further posts you will see that I was asked to remove my pronouns and I did so. Job done.

I wont be doing any diversity training though. But thanks for the suggestion.

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jeffgoldblum · 18/12/2025 21:05

Horrace · 18/12/2025 21:02

Not untouchable. If you read further posts you will see that I was asked to remove my pronouns and I did so. Job done.

I wont be doing any diversity training though. But thanks for the suggestion.

Just ignore! , you are an uncooperative woman and must be humbled and put in her place obviously 🙄

JellySaurus · 18/12/2025 21:16

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 20:53

It sounds like you've become entitled and maybe even believe you're untouchable in this job. The thing is, you can't use having a long and successful career as an excuse for behaving any way you wish (any more, isn't it precisely what we're all trying to correct now?), and that's whatever your gender or pronouns. Respect applies all round nowadays. Apart from the fact that you laughed at your line manager, which is particularly unhelpful if they are sensitive or have a bit of an ego, by doubling down you may now be seen as unpredictable and unwilling to learn lessons. I'm not saying you should put down your pronouns in Teams or email, which you were never required to do in the first place and was a complete non-issue. I'm saying don't exhibit self-righteous behaviours and -why not- try and show a bit of humility. If you persist, don't be under any illusion, this will be escalated further up the chain at some point. You may get passed by for promotion next time or even made redundant (you may find yourself top of the list if they restructure). Importantly, everyone can have a lapse of judgement, particularly after a long year of sustained work, so it's really about how you behave now. A clever move may be to retake the diversity training, then tell your manager you've made this a priority because you realise you didn't react in an appropriate way and could have handled his feedback better. Basically, just modeling the behaviours which I'm sure you expect from your colleagues.

And this is how the ideology gets embedded, even among those who do not believe it and who understand its insidious harmfulness. Threats of what might happen if you do not perform Being Kind. Threats of what might happen if you do not perform docile femininity. Fear of the iron fist in the velvet glove…

IhadaStripeyDeckchair · 18/12/2025 21:20

Well to be "fearful" is ridiculous

But it's not very professional of you to put it there

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 21:24

jeffgoldblum · 18/12/2025 21:05

Just ignore! , you are an uncooperative woman and must be humbled and put in her place obviously 🙄

At the risk of stating the obvious, I'm free to have a private belief that women or minorities have no place in the workforce, however it's most likely a disciplinary offence if I act upon or bring those beliefs into work.

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 21:26

JellySaurus · 18/12/2025 21:16

And this is how the ideology gets embedded, even among those who do not believe it and who understand its insidious harmfulness. Threats of what might happen if you do not perform Being Kind. Threats of what might happen if you do not perform docile femininity. Fear of the iron fist in the velvet glove…

How about showing the professionalism and respect you expect from others at all times at work?

Horrace · 18/12/2025 21:26

Some of you take it all so seriously. Its words.
'Take a Wild Guess'
that's all it was. been there years. You had to go looking for it to see it. Now all of a sudden someone is fearful of me. Someone who doesn't know me, doesn't actually work with me, never has to speak to me, works in a different division, opposite end of the country.
I find it all blown out of proportion.
That's why I laughed.
Its so pathetic

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JellySaurus · 18/12/2025 21:27

Muffsies · 18/12/2025 20:24

Some people have gender neutral names and titles. I work in an academic institution, loads of people are Dr X, or their first name is not obviously gendered, or they have a foreign names that they can't readonably expect others to guess is male/female. Many of the academics from overseas appreciate thay everyone puts pronouns on their emails and profiles. I think it's prefectly reasonable to prompt someone to use the correct pronoun, and expect them to respect that. I wouldn't want to constantly be misgendered and have to correct people, would you?

No. I couldn’t care less. As I said earlier, I’m one of the Sams and people can assume what they like from my written communications. Once we meet or speak it becomes entirely clear which pronouns are appropriate to use when referring to me. And if the ‘pronoun’ they choose to use is “That demanding gorgon from Admin”, fine that’s their perception. As long as they get the job done, it really makes no difference to me.

JellySaurus · 18/12/2025 21:30

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 21:26

How about showing the professionalism and respect you expect from others at all times at work?

How about they show that same respect and don’t expect the right to impose coercive control over my language?

Helleofabore · 18/12/2025 21:31

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 21:26

How about showing the professionalism and respect you expect from others at all times at work?

What is respectful about demands of changing language to suit a person’s philosophical belief about themselves that doesn’t reflect material reality?

What is respectful about obscured language that is inaccurate being demanded and supported by policy?

SabrinaThwaite · 18/12/2025 21:32

Cybiil · 18/12/2025 20:59

Not pandering is just not putting your pronouns isn’t it? Job done.

It depends if you think toeing the line for something you don’t believe in is better than being honest.

One is more politically correct and career advantageous than the other.

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 21:33

JellySaurus · 18/12/2025 21:30

How about they show that same respect and don’t expect the right to impose coercive control over my language?

You've made this up to suit your narrative. The OP has confirmed that there is no requirement to indicate pronouns anywhere, whether in Teams or emails or elsewhere.

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 21:35

Helleofabore · 18/12/2025 21:31

What is respectful about demands of changing language to suit a person’s philosophical belief about themselves that doesn’t reflect material reality?

What is respectful about obscured language that is inaccurate being demanded and supported by policy?

For clarity, the OP has confirmed that there is no requirement to indicate pronouns anywhere, whether in Teams or emails or elsewhere.

Helleofabore · 18/12/2025 21:36

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 21:33

You've made this up to suit your narrative. The OP has confirmed that there is no requirement to indicate pronouns anywhere, whether in Teams or emails or elsewhere.

Has the OP confirmed that there is no negative ramifications for not using someone’s listed pronouns ?

I suspect there would be negative impact to her if she didn’t use those pronouns, so I don’t think people are ‘making things up’.

SabrinaThwaite · 18/12/2025 21:39

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 21:33

You've made this up to suit your narrative. The OP has confirmed that there is no requirement to indicate pronouns anywhere, whether in Teams or emails or elsewhere.

Has OP confirmed that there was no requirement for pronouns?

I must have missed that - can you point out that post please?

Helleofabore · 18/12/2025 21:40

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 21:35

For clarity, the OP has confirmed that there is no requirement to indicate pronouns anywhere, whether in Teams or emails or elsewhere.

For clarity, you spoke about respect. I asked you some questions about what I believed you were speaking about when you referred to respect.

’How about showing the professionalism and respect you expect from others at all times at work?

Were you not referring to using preferred language in your post ?