Just been told to remove my pronouns from my Teams profile

[Horrace]

I'm weak 🤣
My manager just phoned me to say there has been some serious complaints made about me that he must urgently address.
I panicked.
In the Pronouns section of my Teams profile, I have

'Take a Wild Guess'

Its been there for a few years. Its finally been noticed and I've been told to take it down because it's made someone or more than one possibly, FEARFUL of me.

What an absolute joke.

I refuse to have pronouns on any of my ID or name tags etc. The whole thing is ridiculous.

Me too, and when I talk about theythems I still use singular language ‘they is going to the park’ to highlight the absurdity of the whole thing.

Ridiculous things deserve to be ridiculed.

Quite a flattering picture too! 😳

You got a promotion after laughing in your managers face whilst in trouble? Sure you did.

I think the compelling of adding pronouns to ones email is unprofessional and I would absolutely refuse to do it as I am not a sheep who blindly does what I’m told regardless of my beliefs. You’d likely think of me as ‘transphobic’ whatever that means.
However, I agree with the belief that writing a trite signature as the OP has done is unprofessional. As unprofessional as HR telling men who identify as women that they are allowed to use the women’s toilets in the workplace.

No, I've had a promotion from this manager a year ago. My pronouns status has been set for about 4 years

Isn’t it funny how a woman with a 30 year career might have got to the fuck that nonsense stage?

Not really funny no. I am also 50 and I don’t think giving middle aged women a reputation of having “fuck this nonsense” attitude at work does us any favours at all. I work in a large global organisation and we have to have a corporate culture people adhere to globally . Having said that, the OP is not sending may emails which is why people haven’t noticed so not sure this is a biggie at all. Seems much ado about nothing if she is in a job where she is only using Teams.

@Horrace got to know how it came about- I know you said that’s a story for another day but even so.

mine says “add pronoun here” which is how the footer was originally emailed to us all. I’ve just never added it in the designated line. Nor do I have a phonetic spelling of my name- but that is my other story and I won’t derail 🙂

Being ‘culturally Catholic’ is fairly common in Ireland.
It happens other places too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Christians

Totally agree. This kind of behaviour plays into a certain stereotype of a 50 something woman in the workplace those of us who are excelling in our careers are working very hard every day to deconstruct.

Transactivists get very cross when anyone points out that a "transwoman" is actually a man. They call you bigot and make all sorts of threats. Stonewall coined the phrase "Transwomen are women, get over it" way back in 2018.
If you don't believe me, try Pink News - apologies for the link - I know they're a dodgy source but they make this point very clearly:

https://www.thepinknews.com/2018/09/20/stonewall-tshirts-trans-women-are-women-get-over-it/

It's only since the increased public awareness of the gaslighting of children and eradication of women's rights, that the lobby groups have reverse ferreted and now claim that "of course we didn't really mean what we said in these campaigns..."

@Horrace just been into my profile to see where my pronouns are listed. You do have to seek it out and click on the profile, which is unnecessary as my name and image is right there on teams - so anyone messaging me or speaking to me directly can see all they need to know. Someone looking up your profile for deets is, IMO, seeking to be offended… or just very nosey.

At my uni they encouraged pronouns, but I just left them blank as wasn’t too sure who might end up on my Viva one day. Yep, I’m a chicken…

I have He/They/Her.

No-one has said a word. They can't tell if I am one of the pronoun people or taking the piss...

It is excellent.

😂

Really?

I can assure you that as a 50 something woman that’s had a career in a global but very male oriented industry where I’ve had to fight hard for anything like equal opportunities, I am certainly fuck this nonsense.

Must admit that menopause has not added to my patience quotient.

Maybe when you’ve been told to make the tea enough times you’ll understand.

As an aside, I would really like to know when adding phobic or phobia to the end of things became the norm?
a phobia is a irrational fear of something!
it doesn’t and has never been used to denote something you simply don’t believe in.
I don’t believe that humans can change sex , i certainly not irrationally afraid of them ( unlike spiders) 🤔🤷‍♀️

Some people have gender neutral names and titles. I work in an academic institution, loads of people are Dr X, or their first name is not obviously gendered, or they have a foreign names that they can't readonably expect others to guess is male/female. Many of the academics from overseas appreciate thay everyone puts pronouns on their emails and profiles. I think it's prefectly reasonable to prompt someone to use the correct pronoun, and expect them to respect that. I wouldn't want to constantly be misgendered and have to correct people, would you?

Behaviour like OPs won’t get you respect in the workplace. On the contrary, you will prob sly be more likely to be sent to get the tea I would have thought.

If people choose to declare pronouns, for whatever reason, it should be respected.

If people choose not to, for whatever reason, it should also be respected.

I have "you/your". Someone tried to complain but they are in fact pronouns and the correct ones to use when talking to someone.

I also work in a university with many foreign members of staff. Very few people have pronouns in their email signature. I frequently don't know whether I'm communicating with a man or a woman. Guess what? It doesn't matter as I either address them by name or the pronoun "you". If I meet them in person, it's pretty obvious which they are.

In my department of 23 people, only one person has pronouns in their signature. He is foreign (English) but has a name that is a male name in multiple languages so it's not helpful to anyone.

Do you think that organisations should coerce people to comply with someone’s demanded language that suits their philosophical belief when it doesn’t reflect material reality?

Why should someone’s language that suits their identity but is not based on material reality be respected ? What other language that suits someone’s belief about their identity has organisations stating they should be respected when those beliefs don’t have a foundation in material reality and the organisation is not a faith or political based one?

What should the punishment be if someone doesn’t use that demanded language and uses neutral language ?