Just been told to remove my pronouns from my Teams profile

[Horrace]

I'm weak 🤣
My manager just phoned me to say there has been some serious complaints made about me that he must urgently address.
I panicked.
In the Pronouns section of my Teams profile, I have

'Take a Wild Guess'

Its been there for a few years. Its finally been noticed and I've been told to take it down because it's made someone or more than one possibly, FEARFUL of me.

Check out this website for a start https://terfisaslur.com/. Also check out the Ministry of Justice stats that show transwomen are the group most likely to be in prison for sexual assault, significantly more so than even regular men.

Just because you haven't experienced it, doesn't mean it's not happening. Transwomen are such a small part of the population that it's not surprising lots of people won't have any direct experience of it.

There are lots of things in life we don't want to do. But sometimes we have to make do with what's available.

Facilities are available for this sex and they can campaign for more third spaces if they want to.

Restrict fluids? They'd literally rather cause themselves health problems than get therapy to address why they despise themselves and their own sex so much? Now that is dedication to the role.

The mind boggles.

So you don't give a shit about women's single sex spaces?

That's absolutely fine and up to you.

I care about those spaces, especially when we have a father of a teenage daughter who is much the same age as your daughter, who is at a school where male children are allowed to change and shower with girls because they identify as girls.

It's not about being threatened. It's about basic rights as a woman.

But you do you.

Oh as as for men behaving badly. Yes of course I care about that too. This is all part of the same thing though. Trans women are men.

Maybe have a look at the Employment tribunals in Fife & Darlington where nurses took their employers to court for being compelled to undress in front of male colleagues? Or Jo Phoenix, Allison Bailey, Maya Forstater to name just 3 of the countless women bullied and often sacked for expressing legal views that you can't change sex and that men shouldn't be in women's spaces, sport etc.

Take a look at what happens when women's groups arrange conferences and meetings. They are harassed, intimidated and threatened by masked men (and some women) trying to stop them speak & even walk into venues. I can't think of a feminist meeting / conference that hasn't been "protested " by these men.

I wasnt saying my thoughts on single sex anything. i was protesting about the generational of 'most men who identify as women' and 'middle age men storming about with skirts and tights' and other ridiculous generalisations on this thread. Usually when you ask people for specific examples, they cant give you them. I can give you many many examples of men treating me and others badly. i can give you not one example of a trans man or woman treating me or anyone I know badly. Of course there are bad trans people out there, but you generally read about them as there are not many. the way people talk on threads like this its like there are marauding hoards of trans running amock in tights and skirts taking up residence in toilets. For me this just totally distracts from actual, real issues and distracts us from fighting what actually matters. Andrew Tate must be laughing all the way to his X account .

It's irrational and unlikely that it's made any reasonable person "fearful", and if there's been any insinuation that you have done anything wrong except put something frivolous/non-corporate which - now that it's been belatedly brought to your attention - you've been asked and expected to remove then I would push back on that. Make sure it's seen as nothing more than your being asked to edit your profile and once you've done so all is well - and that "complaints" about you aren't left on the record unless they've been fully disclosed to you and you've been given the opportunity to rebut.

That said - if I were your manager and the signature is visible to people outside of the company, I'd have asked you to edit it too. But a competent manager would have explained how it objectively violated the letter of the company policy (or the spirit, if it's not spelled out somewhere) and handled the "complaints" separately without involving you to preserve everyone's privacy and dignity. (Although my employer doesn't allow anything but name, job title, location, contact info, and office hours in the signature, and if you'd added anything about pronouns or sex or gender - including Mr. or Ms. - you'd probably have been asked to remove it as soon as it was noticed. I think that's the wisest policy.)

Do other people have pronouns in their profiles? If so, maybe you could take the stance that people adding their pronouns makes you feel unsafe because they are signalling that they adhere to an ideology that doesn't believe in biological sex, thereby seeking to erase women as a separate class.

I’ve put my job title on mine

I am well aware of high profile cases. As i said previously, of course there are bad trans people out there, but you generally read about them in the news as there are so few compared to other crimes, like violence against women and girls. My point is that people on this thread making huge generalisations have likely never encountered anyone who is trans, much less been attacked or threatened by them. they wont admit that though.

The other significant issue with ‘cis’ is that its very usage forcibly categorises someone into having a philosophical belief that they may or may not have. It is very problematic for those who do not have a ‘gender identity’.

In fact, to extrapolate it out : if ‘cis’ excludes those who do not ‘identify as having a gender aligned with the sex they were born’ then the trans gender community would be fucking huge. Because it would include everyone who doesn’t believe in gender identities at all. Not through deliberately self-categorisation as ‘agender’ but simply through rejection of anything to do with that philosophical belief that is the foundation for gender identity and the theories that shape those identities.

Because, the only commonality with all those claiming a transgender identity is philosophical belief. Not a medical 'problem' according to transgender people and academics and medical professionals who are transgender and shaping public awareness. No scientific and robustly established material facts support any biological commonality between all people with transgender identities.

So only philosophical belief.

And I would be pleased to know just what other philosophical belief should be given the power to shape a whole populations language to the extent that we are seeing these language changes being demanded?

If someone who was religious called me a non-believer, I cannot dispute that. Because it reflects my reality. I don’t believe in their religion so in their religion centred language that is what I am. It could be considered neutral in that respect. It doesn’t change my belief. Calling me a 'sinner' or a term that fits that belief because that group categorise me that way, is offensive to me.

Calling a person ‘cis’ is not a neutral act. It falsely categorises beliefs and is not a neutral act at all. Someone calling me ‘cis’ coercively forces me to believe in gender identity and the theories that are foundational to them.

Transwomen are more likely to be convicted of sex crimes than any other group. That's a fact.

It's really simple:

Transwomen are men.

Women need spaces away from men. (For getting changed in, eg. Or for young girls to be themselves without boys around.)

It is about keeping all men out, not an individual (trans) man's nature or behaviour.

Lots of assumptions there. I don't think DC despises males. Just doesn't identify with maleness. It made DC unhappy to be male, referred to as male, use a male name. Using a female name and being accepted by those she loves has been transformative.
This doesn't mean that she isn't aware that she inhabits a liminal space. That she is not and never will be an actual woman. She may wish that were different but that's how it is.
Third spaces everywhere would be incredibly supportive of her and those like her.

You should have a look at this

https://terfisaslur.com

This is the violent end of trans activism. Obviously this is not true of all 'transwomen' but just so you understand how some in the moveme
y actually behave and what they actually think about women don't get in line with their demands.

I don't see a huge amount of difference in the attitudes expressed here and Tate and co. Do you?

I don't think organisations should force people to share pronouns and if you find it actively unhelpful then it should be up to you. However, I do think the normalisation of it is generally positive.

If you're only every interacting with someone digitally it shouldn't matter, frankly, but certainly in my line of work I will usually meet or speak directly to people as well as digitally.

I can think of two instances recently where I was mortified at mixing up names/misgendering people. Neither involving trans-identifying people. Both would have been avoided had I known names + pronouns in advance:

First one - in a group of people I had not previously met, I was referring to one of the other people, who on first glance looked feminine, as "she", then realised they were male. He understandably gave me daggers.

Second one - a woman of Indian heritage gave me the name of her and her husband. I had to ask to clarify which was her name and which was her husband's. I felt ignorant and that I had offended her as to her the names were probably as clearly gendered as "David and Lucy".

To be fair neither of those were situations where I would have known their names and pronouns in advance, but similar situations can easily arise where sharing pronouns can avoid embarrassment and offence.

But that could be true of all kinds of things like religious practices, disability, sexualitywhether someone eats meat or not and so on. No one expects us to put any of that info in our bios at work.

You got in a muddle because you made some assumptions

if there are two males called the same name, pronouns would not have helped so it’s only a marginal solution

and the negative impact on women revealing their sex too soon is huge

You need to ask them to respect your gender identity beliefs.

Perhaps reflect on this and be a better human being.

Do you have age rates on that?

I think younger transitioners and older transitioners are likely very different groups.

It's because you're causing a HR issue by having the sense of humour of a 14 year old.

I don't have to engage with such nonsense, but if I did, I'd want to put
Hse/Shimer
(a melding of terms I've literally just invented, but I'd tell them they should keep up to date, as these are the latest govt. recommendations)

Tell that to these guys https://terfisaslur.com/

What the heck is genuinely trans? Trans is a load of nonsense to be honest and if it's a so called trans women then the correct pronouns is he and him, because he's a man.