To think that antisemitism now needs to be tackled in the strongest possible way?

[LucyWestenra]

The Bondi thread in chat was eye opening.

Forty pages and a lot of it whataboutery, excuses and vile antisemitism.

It’s disgusting.

It needs to be called out. It needs to be rooted out.

I feel so sorry for the Jewish communities everywhere. How can they possibly feel safe?

No, that is the excuse given. Antisemitism has always been around. Here in the UK security at Jewish schools and places of worship has been the norm for many years, a fact that many non Jews are unaware of. Disputes over Israel and Palestine have been going on for decades. The constant marches and protests organised by the Palestinian Solidarity Campaign have fuelled the upsurge in antisemitism and attacks against Jews, culminating in the Manchester synagogue terrorist attack only a few weeks ago.
There has never in Israel's short history (77 years) been such a venomous pogrom as happened on 7 October 2023. Their government did what they had to do to protect their citizens, whether we agree with how they did it or not.

It definitely is two years too late for the more rigid arrest criteria.

I agree with your 19.44 post @Beachtastic
It was a war. The word genocide appeared in the internet before Israel even began its defence. A fact I became aware of when DD2's best friend from her days studying in Ireland, used the term when messaging DD two days later! Needless to say they are no longer friends.

I read this as saying pretty clearly that protesters are anti semitic? Everyone on the protests supports annihilation of another race?

This also implies support for palestine in ireland is anti semitic

You got it, whether directly or indirectly. I suppose being right on trendy is more important than considering the full ramifications of aiding the call for death.

Also I think implyng protest is anti semitic

Can you rephrase that please so it makes sense?

But apparently no-one is saying that protesting against Israeli actions is anti semitic?

You seem to know all the definitions of antisemitism except the correct one.

Well, I feel I have nothing new to add so I think I'll stop posting. I abhor anti semitism. I abhor october 7th. I abhor the ongoing genocide in Gaza. I abhor having human rights protests against genocide cynically rebranded as anti semitism to defend Israeli war crimes, which is defintely happening. I have protested against many other human rights infringements by many states and actors over the decades. This is only one of many for me, not a sudden interest in this conflict only.

I can see your frustration and you probably mean well (sorry, that's not meant to sound patronising!). But to see you constantly repeating "genocide" in one direction, when it was the clear intent of 7/10 and all the media manipulation that has taken place so successfully since, as well as a clearly stated goal that long precedes the Israel-Gaza war, makes me despair. The truly genocidal antisemites are winning the propaganda war, which targets well-intentioned people with a liberal mindset. (Just to add: I have always had a liberal mindset! - but the past couple of years have made me very, very bitter and cynical.)

You know, it really is ok to talk about antisemitism without mentioning anything else. You can just condemn antisemitism and leave it at that. "My condolences to the Jewish community at what is obviously a difficult time. Let's hope for a better future" and then leave it at that.

But you've chosen to repeatedly mention Israel and Gaza because you don't seem to think Jewish people are worthy of time to grieve. You've been asked to stop mentioning it but you apparently can't help yourself. You keep doing it. If you can't talk about Jewish suffering without mentioning Gaza, you are a part of the antisemitism problem whether you want to believe it or not. You might think you don't dislike Jews, but your repeated insistence on mentioning Israel and Gaza would indicate otherwise. It's really sad. We need allies and you seem to want to be one, you're just really far off the mark at the moment.

I have protested and marched many times as well. And am horrified to see something I find so valuable co-opted by a minority of truly vicious hateful people surrounded by a majority of thoughtless ones. It’s isolating and lonely and very, very depressing.

Did you attend anything calling for the release of Israeli hostages?

No implication. You only have to watch the councillors debating renaming Herzl Park to hear blatant antisemitism.

I just googled that as I didn’t know what it was about.

It really is everywhere, isn’t it? So insidious.

It was absolutely shocking to listen to.

I’m reading an article and it mentions that Israel closed its Embassy in Dublin last hear due to the Irish government’s antisemitic rhetoric.

I didn’t know that.

Shocked by it all.

Ireland being one of the petulant boycotts of the Eurovision is no surprise. Also talk of their 1994 winner handing the trophy back. How utterly cringe.

Pathetic.

Deleted? WTF MNHQ? Why?

Seriously, MNHQ. Why?

Describing Oct 7 using just the date, but describing the response to it as "genocide", is not a neutral act.

The standard to which Israel is held in responding to a heinous attack on its own soil by a group sworn to ethnically cleanse all Jews "from the river to the sea" (which would entail actual genocide, as opposed to the situation in Gaza; see below) is a standard to which no other nation is ever held.

Once you see the antisemitism in that double standard, you cannot unsee it.