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To think that antisemitism now needs to be tackled in the strongest possible way?

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LucyWestenra · 15/12/2025 11:30

The Bondi thread in chat was eye opening.

Forty pages and a lot of it whataboutery, excuses and vile antisemitism.

It’s disgusting.

It needs to be called out. It needs to be rooted out.

I feel so sorry for the Jewish communities everywhere. How can they possibly feel safe?

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HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 16:28

Genericfestiveusername · 17/12/2025 16:27

I mean it absolutely is unless PP is saying war crimes are a proportionate response which of course they never are (hence the crime but!)

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Genericfestiveusername · 17/12/2025 16:28

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LucyWestenra · 17/12/2025 16:30

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Why are you so nasty and aggressive?

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Genericfestiveusername · 17/12/2025 16:30

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 16:28

Sorry I misunderstood you! I've asked for my post to be removed 💐

Why not just...expand on your point?

Peridoteage · 17/12/2025 16:30

Yuja · 17/12/2025 16:17

Okay but the thread asks if it is unreasonable to think that anti semitism needs to be tackled in the strongest possible way - what are your thoughts on that, rather than your thoughts about Israel and Hamas? Because bringing in the latter makes this about something else.

I think I have been clear i agree anti semitism should be tackled in the strongest way. The various attacks on Jewish people e.g. Bondi are abhorrent.

I think it is important to be clear that criticism of Israel (and disagreement with those who defend or support atrocities committed by Israel) do not constitute criticism or abuse of Jewish people, and should not be regarded as "anti-semitism", and that free speech denouncing actions of Israel, should not be silenced. Equally, Jewish people must not be required to give views on this conflict purely because they share a religion with a large proportion of the population of Israel.

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 16:32

Genericfestiveusername · 17/12/2025 16:24

I mean a simple search would show you there's tons of Islamopgobia on here also. What is you have to say that you're so sure would get you called a bigot? It really reads like you're just sowing more division and putting two groups facing violence and discrimination in this country against eachother.

I don't think for one moment that @LucyWestenra has done what you suggest at all. This thread is about rampant anti semitism.
While Islamophobia is also an issue, currently there are no Jewish terrorists running wild and murdering innocent Muslims.

Genericfestiveusername · 17/12/2025 16:33

LucyWestenra · 17/12/2025 16:30

Why are you so nasty and aggressive?

I haven't been either, just pointing out a good example that posters are supporting extreme positions without a second of reading comprehension or nuance. Feel free to report any examples you feel have been nasty or aggressive but that's not intended at all so please feel free to point out. I happen to find people sowing division between groups facing violent nasty and I will happily clearly say so. Feel free to engage in my points though. I noticed I've asked you twice on your points which you've ignored but you'll respond to call me nasty. Did you want a discussion? Did you wanna answer the glasto question?

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 16:34

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You really are rather nasty aren't you?

Snowonground · 17/12/2025 16:35

MrsSkylerWhite · 17/12/2025 13:07

Throw in a dash of bigotry.

Its not bigotry to tell the truth. Something the left urgently needs to learn.

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LucyWestenra · 17/12/2025 16:36

Genericfestiveusername · 17/12/2025 16:33

I haven't been either, just pointing out a good example that posters are supporting extreme positions without a second of reading comprehension or nuance. Feel free to report any examples you feel have been nasty or aggressive but that's not intended at all so please feel free to point out. I happen to find people sowing division between groups facing violent nasty and I will happily clearly say so. Feel free to engage in my points though. I noticed I've asked you twice on your points which you've ignored but you'll respond to call me nasty. Did you want a discussion? Did you wanna answer the glasto question?

What is there to say?

Nothing, absolutely nothing whatsoever justifies those vile attacks on 07 October.

I used Glastonbury as an example because it is also a music festival, young people enjoying themselves etc

i thought that’s pretty obvious.

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Genericfestiveusername · 17/12/2025 16:38

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 16:32

I don't think for one moment that @LucyWestenra has done what you suggest at all. This thread is about rampant anti semitism.
While Islamophobia is also an issue, currently there are no Jewish terrorists running wild and murdering innocent Muslims.

There absolutely are btw if you do an iota of research, to suggest there aren't radical settlers or zionists killing Muslim people is just a blatant lie or do you just not actually look into it before saying that? I also think being so dismissive and putting normal Muslim people against Jewish people (and suggesting Islamopgobia is no where near as bad) in times when people of both religions are scared to go outside is sowing division.

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 16:39

It seems that there are posters on this thread who have (conveniently) forgotten that the majority of the 1200 people butchered to death in 7 October 2023 were young people at the Nova festival. The comparison with Glastonbury is relevant.
Meanwhile back to antisemitism which this thread illustrates that it is alive and well and living in the UK.

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 16:39

moderate · 17/12/2025 16:38

Not sure if anyone has posted this yet but it looks like "globalise the intifada" isn't going to be acceptable any more in London and Manchester: https://news.met.police.uk/news/joint-statement-from-the-commissioner-of-the-metropolitan-police-and-the-chief-constable-of-greater-manchester-police-504494

Thanks. I hadn't seen this.

Peridoteage · 17/12/2025 16:41

the majority of the 1200 people butchered to death in 7 October 2023 were young people at the Nova festival.

The massacre on 7th October was abhorrent. Israel's response has been disproportionate and is also abhorrent. Nothing justifies the levels of violence on either side.

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 16:45

'an iota' of research. Once more, this thread is specifically about antisemitism. If you feel so strongly about Islamophobia I respectfully suggest you start your own thread.
Meanwhile I have yet to see Muslim schools and places of worship with the enormous kind of security that Jewish ones have.
A colleague of my DD told her only yesterday that her children in primary school have to learn 'Sleeping Lions' and play dead in the event of a shooter arriving in their classroom, so please stop with your divisive accusations.

LucyWestenra · 17/12/2025 16:48

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 16:45

'an iota' of research. Once more, this thread is specifically about antisemitism. If you feel so strongly about Islamophobia I respectfully suggest you start your own thread.
Meanwhile I have yet to see Muslim schools and places of worship with the enormous kind of security that Jewish ones have.
A colleague of my DD told her only yesterday that her children in primary school have to learn 'Sleeping Lions' and play dead in the event of a shooter arriving in their classroom, so please stop with your divisive accusations.

So sad. And infuriating because it absolutely should not be happening.

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Coachbella · 17/12/2025 16:48

Genericfestiveusername · 17/12/2025 16:38

There absolutely are btw if you do an iota of research, to suggest there aren't radical settlers or zionists killing Muslim people is just a blatant lie or do you just not actually look into it before saying that? I also think being so dismissive and putting normal Muslim people against Jewish people (and suggesting Islamopgobia is no where near as bad) in times when people of both religions are scared to go outside is sowing division.

What do you mean by zionists ? Specifically

PurpleThistle7 · 17/12/2025 16:55

Peridoteage · 17/12/2025 16:30

I think I have been clear i agree anti semitism should be tackled in the strongest way. The various attacks on Jewish people e.g. Bondi are abhorrent.

I think it is important to be clear that criticism of Israel (and disagreement with those who defend or support atrocities committed by Israel) do not constitute criticism or abuse of Jewish people, and should not be regarded as "anti-semitism", and that free speech denouncing actions of Israel, should not be silenced. Equally, Jewish people must not be required to give views on this conflict purely because they share a religion with a large proportion of the population of Israel.

So you blame ‘Hamas’ and ‘Israel’ not ‘Palestine’ and ‘Israel’ or ‘Hamas’ and ‘Likud’. Do you see the difference? One is blaming an entire country and one is blaming a specific sub section.

ScribblingPixie · 17/12/2025 16:59

Peridoteage · 17/12/2025 16:30

I think I have been clear i agree anti semitism should be tackled in the strongest way. The various attacks on Jewish people e.g. Bondi are abhorrent.

I think it is important to be clear that criticism of Israel (and disagreement with those who defend or support atrocities committed by Israel) do not constitute criticism or abuse of Jewish people, and should not be regarded as "anti-semitism", and that free speech denouncing actions of Israel, should not be silenced. Equally, Jewish people must not be required to give views on this conflict purely because they share a religion with a large proportion of the population of Israel.

They absolutely do and are. A proPal demonstration came to my London suburb last year, marching through the residential streets and ending by the Menorah. The police had to move them away from it. Why? We don't have political demonstrations here normally. There is no landmark or building relevant to the conflict in the Middle East. The only possible reason was that there is a fair percentage of Jewish people living here. The shouting and placards were intended to intimidate, no doubt about it. That's pure antisemitism as far as I'm concerned.

pointythings · 17/12/2025 17:00

PurpleThistle7 · 17/12/2025 16:55

So you blame ‘Hamas’ and ‘Israel’ not ‘Palestine’ and ‘Israel’ or ‘Hamas’ and ‘Likud’. Do you see the difference? One is blaming an entire country and one is blaming a specific sub section.

To be fair, I think that 'Israel' is shorthand for 'the Israeli government'. Under the circumstances I think it's important that this be typed out in full every time though.

'Israel' as a country is not collectively responsible for the atrocities committed in Gaza. Its government very much is.

Kingscallops · 17/12/2025 17:00

Can't believe how many of the recurring goady posters aren't getting banned.

Twiglets1 · 17/12/2025 17:02

moderate · 17/12/2025 16:38

Not sure if anyone has posted this yet but it looks like "globalise the intifada" isn't going to be acceptable any more in London and Manchester: https://news.met.police.uk/news/joint-statement-from-the-commissioner-of-the-metropolitan-police-and-the-chief-constable-of-greater-manchester-police-504494

Thank you - also reported in The Telegraph:

Protesters who chant “globalise the intifada” will be arrested, two of the country’s top police officers have said.

In a joint statement, Sir Mark Rowley, the Met Police commissioner and Sir Stephen Watson, the chief constable of Greater Manchester Police (GMP), said the “context has changed” in the wake of the Bondi Beach massacre and escalating threats to the Jewish community.

A Met source told the Telegraph other chants such as “from the river to the sea” could lead to an arrest as part of a more robust police approach.

There has been widespread criticism of the police’s approach to pro-Palestinian marches, with claims that they have allowed protesters to chant clearly anti-Israeli and anti-Semitic slogans.

Sir Mark has previously insisted that hate crime legislation restricts the action his officers can take when policing such events.

But in a significant change of direction following the Bondi Beach and Manchester synagogue terror attacks, Sir Mark and his Greater Manchester Police counterpart said they would now be far more robust.

In a statement, they said: “Anti-Semitic hate crime has surged, protests have intensified, and online abuse has grown since 2023. These trends create real fear and disrupt daily life, and have an impact on how safe the Jewish community feel when attending synagogues and other communal spaces.

“Jewish children attend schools behind fences, guarded by security and routine police patrols. No community should have to live like this. That must change.

“The two recent terror attacks targeting Jews, the increased fear in Jewish communities, and high number of terrorist attacks disrupted in recent years requires an enhanced response.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/17/protesters-who-chant-globalise-the-intifada-will-arrested/

LucyWestenra · 17/12/2025 17:02

Kingscallops · 17/12/2025 17:00

Can't believe how many of the recurring goady posters aren't getting banned.

No wonder they feel emboldened.

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