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To think that antisemitism now needs to be tackled in the strongest possible way?

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LucyWestenra · 15/12/2025 11:30

The Bondi thread in chat was eye opening.

Forty pages and a lot of it whataboutery, excuses and vile antisemitism.

It’s disgusting.

It needs to be called out. It needs to be rooted out.

I feel so sorry for the Jewish communities everywhere. How can they possibly feel safe?

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HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 13:46

singmoon · 17/12/2025 13:22

The UN is not anti semitic. It rightly criticises Israel. That is not anti semitic.

They constantly criticise Israel but never China, Saudi Arabia etc whose human abuses are far, far worse than anything Israel has ever done. But you do you and I'll do me.

Peridoteage · 17/12/2025 13:46

Its not really about equating the Israel government with Hamas or trying to work out who is "worse". People are criticising the actions of both. Both are bad.

Peridoteage · 17/12/2025 13:47

I do also think more should be done to criticise human rights in china, saudi etc.

MrsSkylerWhite · 17/12/2025 13:48

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 13:46

They constantly criticise Israel but never China, Saudi Arabia etc whose human abuses are far, far worse than anything Israel has ever done. But you do you and I'll do me.

Simply not true. UN regularly criticises China on its dreadful lack of human rights.

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 13:51

Genericfestiveusername · 17/12/2025 12:47

Which country is the UK occupying in this hypothetical example?

The UK wasn't occupying any country at the time of the Ariana Grande gig. Goodness knows how many terrorist attacks have been foiled since.

SisterTeatime · 17/12/2025 13:57

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 13:51

The UK wasn't occupying any country at the time of the Ariana Grande gig. Goodness knows how many terrorist attacks have been foiled since.

Well said.

People who justify Oct 7 in any way should take a long hard look at themselves.

LucyWestenra · 17/12/2025 13:59

singmoon · 17/12/2025 13:41

Yes you can, you really can. Both have slaughtered innocent civilians.

Your rhetoric is dangerous.

And disgusting.

Stop it for goodness sake.

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MrsSkylerWhite · 17/12/2025 14:00

LucyWestenra · 17/12/2025 13:59

Your rhetoric is dangerous.

And disgusting.

Stop it for goodness sake.

Some of Netanyahu’s cabinet are the absolute equivalent of Hamas, with their abhorrent views about Palestinians. As terrible as each other.

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 14:01

singmoon · 17/12/2025 13:41

Yes you can, you really can. Both have slaughtered innocent civilians.

You seem to be oblivious to the fact that the civilians who were butchered at Nova was not during a war.
Civilians in Gaza have died during a war begun by Hamas on 7 October 23. Hamas failed abysmally to protect their civilian population while protecting themselves in their underground tunnels. You think that any other government wouldn't have done what Israel did post 7 October after 1200 people had been butchered, raped, burnt alive and hundreds more kidnapped. I'll bet you all the tea in China that bombs would have rained upon any terrorist group who attempted this. The blame for ALL these deaths lies with Hamas.

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 14:02

MrsSkylerWhite · 17/12/2025 14:00

Some of Netanyahu’s cabinet are the absolute equivalent of Hamas, with their abhorrent views about Palestinians. As terrible as each other.

They are a few only, unlike hundreds of Hamas terrorists.

Peridoteage · 17/12/2025 14:03

What about the millions of Jews who are indeed Zionists and might even support the actions of Israel? (Not saying I'm one, just asking)... are they not entitled to the protection of their own countries? Do we have to prove we are worthy?
there are clearly millions of people of all sorts of religious and ethnic backgrounds who hold problematic views and yet they also deserve our protection. That's literally what makes us a democracy.

I agree with all of the above, whole heartedly. I think there is a problem with anti semitism at the moment which should be tackled. Its not unlike the wave of anti islamic sentiment in the early noughties following the twin towers. We cannot hold whole populations or religious groups responsible for the extremist actions of a few.

That said, we must all be clear that criticism of the actions of Israel in Gaza is not anti-semitism. We are criticising the government of a state, not the Jewish people.

noblegiraffe · 17/12/2025 14:04

Joint Statement from the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police and the Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police

We begin by acknowledging the horrific terrorist attack in Australia, where Jews were deliberately targeted whilst enjoying the Hanukkah celebrations. Our thoughts are with those who lost their lives, their families and those injured. Coming so soon after the Heaton Park Synagogue attack in Manchester and amid rising antisemitism globally, this is deeply alarming. Jewish communities across London, Greater Manchester, and the rest of the United Kingdom are already worried and scared - and this only adds to it.

Antisemitic hate crime has surged, protests have intensified, and online abuse has grown since 2023. These trends create real fear and disrupt daily life – and have an impact on how safe the Jewish community feel when attending synagogues and other communal spaces. Jewish children attend schools behind fences, guarded by security and routine police patrols. No community should have to live like this. That must change.

The two recent terror attacks targeting Jews, the increased fear in Jewish communities, and high number of terrorist attacks disrupted in recent years requires an enhanced response. Current laws are inadequate, and we welcome the fact that the Home Secretary has asked Lord Ken Macdonald KC to review the current public order and hate crime legislation.

The words and chants used, especially in protests, matter and have real world consequences. We have consistently been advised by the CPS that many of the phrases causing fear in Jewish communities don’t meet prosecution thresholds. Now, in the escalating threat context, we will recalibrate to be more assertive.

We know communities are concerned about placards and chants such as “globalise the intifada” and those using it at future protest or in a targeted way should expect the Met and GMP to take action. Violent acts have taken place, the context has changed - words have meaning and consequence. We will act decisively and make arrests.

Frontline officers will be briefed on this enhanced approach. We will also use powers under the Public Order Act, including conditions around London synagogues during services.

Visible patrols and protective security measures around synagogues, schools, and community venues have been stepped up in London and Greater Manchester. We are intensifying investigations into hate crime, and Counter Terrorism Policing continues to operate 24/7 to identify and disrupt threats.

These measures are practical and immediate - designed to keep communities safe, deter intimidation, and enforce the law. Our intent is clear: create a hostile environment for offenders and a safer environment for Jewish communities, while protecting lawful protest. All members of society have a responsibility to consider their impact on others – it is possible to protest in support of Palestinian people without intimidating Jewish communities or breaking the law.

We want you to hear this clearly: we see you, we hear you, and we stand with you. Your safety and wellbeing matter to all of us. Please keep talking to us and to each other; report incidents promptly; and make use of our dedicated neighbourhood teams.

Hanukkah reminds us that light endures, even in the darkest times. We will continue to work night and day to keep you safe.

MrsSkylerWhite · 17/12/2025 14:05

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 14:02

They are a few only, unlike hundreds of Hamas terrorists.

Voted in by many, though? I would also suggest that the illegal settlers are equally abhorrent to Hamas.

MrsSkylerWhite · 17/12/2025 14:05

As an atheist, the hatred on both sides baffles me.

singmoon · 17/12/2025 14:06

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 14:01

You seem to be oblivious to the fact that the civilians who were butchered at Nova was not during a war.
Civilians in Gaza have died during a war begun by Hamas on 7 October 23. Hamas failed abysmally to protect their civilian population while protecting themselves in their underground tunnels. You think that any other government wouldn't have done what Israel did post 7 October after 1200 people had been butchered, raped, burnt alive and hundreds more kidnapped. I'll bet you all the tea in China that bombs would have rained upon any terrorist group who attempted this. The blame for ALL these deaths lies with Hamas.

No the blame for the thousands of Palestinians killed by Israel rests 100% with Israel.

Humdingerydoo · 17/12/2025 14:06

Anyone who has ever lead a Jewish life knows that there is no such thing as six degrees of separation. It's more like three.

I spent less than 24 hours in Sydney over 20 years ago, yet I am within two degrees of separation from a victim of the Chanukah Massacre.

I have never lived in Israel yet was within three degrees of separation to hostages taken on October 7th. Two degrees of separation to a victim during the second Intifada.

Two degrees of separation to someone in Manchester on Yom Kippur.

Two degrees of separation to Dan Uzan who was murdered while standing guard outside a Bat Mitzvah celebration in a synagogue in Copenhagen almost 11 years ago.

When something happens to one of us, it happens to all of us. We all feel it because we all know someone directly affected.

We all feel it, and we all know it could be us next.

This is what it's like being Jewish in 2025, but it's definitely not new for this year.

So the 20% on here who don't think antisemitism is worth combating - why is that? Why don't we matter? Why are we not worth protecting? There are only 15 million of us in the world. You wouldn't even know most of us are Jewish by looking at us. We look like all the rest of you. We come in all different shades, shapes and sizes. We talk like you. We go to the same universities as you. We are the same as you. When you are hurting, we are hurting. But when we are hurting? Silence.

singmoon · 17/12/2025 14:09

singmoon · 17/12/2025 14:06

No the blame for the thousands of Palestinians killed by Israel rests 100% with Israel.

And Israel has killed many multiples of civilians more than Hamas. Who also bears a responsibility for their own crimes, and cannot blame it on the previous many many years of Israeli oppression.

LucyWestenra · 17/12/2025 14:09

Humdingerydoo · 17/12/2025 14:06

Anyone who has ever lead a Jewish life knows that there is no such thing as six degrees of separation. It's more like three.

I spent less than 24 hours in Sydney over 20 years ago, yet I am within two degrees of separation from a victim of the Chanukah Massacre.

I have never lived in Israel yet was within three degrees of separation to hostages taken on October 7th. Two degrees of separation to a victim during the second Intifada.

Two degrees of separation to someone in Manchester on Yom Kippur.

Two degrees of separation to Dan Uzan who was murdered while standing guard outside a Bat Mitzvah celebration in a synagogue in Copenhagen almost 11 years ago.

When something happens to one of us, it happens to all of us. We all feel it because we all know someone directly affected.

We all feel it, and we all know it could be us next.

This is what it's like being Jewish in 2025, but it's definitely not new for this year.

So the 20% on here who don't think antisemitism is worth combating - why is that? Why don't we matter? Why are we not worth protecting? There are only 15 million of us in the world. You wouldn't even know most of us are Jewish by looking at us. We look like all the rest of you. We come in all different shades, shapes and sizes. We talk like you. We go to the same universities as you. We are the same as you. When you are hurting, we are hurting. But when we are hurting? Silence.

I am so sorry.

I absolutely hear you and I am disgusted by the vile comments and antisemitism on this thread, this board, online, everywhere.

💐

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moderate · 17/12/2025 14:11

I just voted YANBU in the AIBU "To think that antisemitism now needs to be tackled in the strongest possible way?", but I am not convinced that banning the phrase is the best way to tackle antisemitism.

I think we should make it politically, commercially, and socially unacceptable much as we have done with various slurs that are still not illegal to utter.

singmoon · 17/12/2025 14:13

Humdingerydoo · 17/12/2025 14:06

Anyone who has ever lead a Jewish life knows that there is no such thing as six degrees of separation. It's more like three.

I spent less than 24 hours in Sydney over 20 years ago, yet I am within two degrees of separation from a victim of the Chanukah Massacre.

I have never lived in Israel yet was within three degrees of separation to hostages taken on October 7th. Two degrees of separation to a victim during the second Intifada.

Two degrees of separation to someone in Manchester on Yom Kippur.

Two degrees of separation to Dan Uzan who was murdered while standing guard outside a Bat Mitzvah celebration in a synagogue in Copenhagen almost 11 years ago.

When something happens to one of us, it happens to all of us. We all feel it because we all know someone directly affected.

We all feel it, and we all know it could be us next.

This is what it's like being Jewish in 2025, but it's definitely not new for this year.

So the 20% on here who don't think antisemitism is worth combating - why is that? Why don't we matter? Why are we not worth protecting? There are only 15 million of us in the world. You wouldn't even know most of us are Jewish by looking at us. We look like all the rest of you. We come in all different shades, shapes and sizes. We talk like you. We go to the same universities as you. We are the same as you. When you are hurting, we are hurting. But when we are hurting? Silence.

I oppose anti semitism. I just dispute what is termed anti semitism, when it is in fact legitimate criticism of Israel. If we can agree that we will ruthlessly target anti semitism, which does not include protest at Israel and its actions, then we are in agreement surely?

Lindos1 · 17/12/2025 14:18

I never understood HOW the Holocaust happened, but since COVID & Oct 7th, I can.

I knew that anti-semitism had entered the mainstream when back in the summer I was with my v middle class in-laws, & we were discussing the Indian plane crash that had happened the day before. My expensively/ highly educated (Oxbridge), non-woke, not particularly political, late 40s, sister- in- law, remarked 'it was probably Israel', & no one said a thing. Like it was the most normal/sensible thing to say.
There's always nutcases, but she isn't one, & that was the first thing that popped into her head when talking about a plane crash in India.

I know it's nearly Christmas, but things are feeling very dark.

Humdingerydoo · 17/12/2025 14:24

singmoon · 17/12/2025 14:13

I oppose anti semitism. I just dispute what is termed anti semitism, when it is in fact legitimate criticism of Israel. If we can agree that we will ruthlessly target anti semitism, which does not include protest at Israel and its actions, then we are in agreement surely?

Great, so I assume you voted YANBU and therefore you're not one of the 20% who didn't. So absolutely no reason for you to have responded to my post.

singmoon · 17/12/2025 14:25

Humdingerydoo · 17/12/2025 14:24

Great, so I assume you voted YANBU and therefore you're not one of the 20% who didn't. So absolutely no reason for you to have responded to my post.

I'm glad you agree with me then

PurpleThistle7 · 17/12/2025 14:27

singmoon · 17/12/2025 14:13

I oppose anti semitism. I just dispute what is termed anti semitism, when it is in fact legitimate criticism of Israel. If we can agree that we will ruthlessly target anti semitism, which does not include protest at Israel and its actions, then we are in agreement surely?

I have 0 problems with people protesting a specific action of a specific government that they find problematic. I have and will always have major issues with any protest suggesting - in any way - that an entire country should cease to exist. That is deeply problematic.

The chants and the signs and the posters all over my place of work do not say 'boo Netanyahu and boo this specific situation' they say 'globalise the intifada' and 'israel is a terror state' and 'from the river to the sea'. That is a very, very different thing.

Peridoteage · 17/12/2025 14:27

. If we can agree that we will ruthlessly target anti semitism, which does not include protest at Israel and its actions, then we are in agreement surely?

This. I abhor anti-semitism, have Jewish relatives by marriage, and think that the atrocities committee by both sides of the conflict in Gaza should be condemned. The government of the state Israel & Hamas would be the two counter parties to that, not:

  • all Palestinians
  • all Jewish or Israeli people