To think that antisemitism now needs to be tackled in the strongest possible way?

[LucyWestenra]

The Bondi thread in chat was eye opening.

Forty pages and a lot of it whataboutery, excuses and vile antisemitism.

It’s disgusting.

It needs to be called out. It needs to be rooted out.

I feel so sorry for the Jewish communities everywhere. How can they possibly feel safe?

Can you share what you think would be a proportionate response to having your country constantly bombed and subject to terrorist attacks from people whose avowed intent is to eradicate said country from the face of the earth? And having thousands of evil men pour across your borders to perpetrate acts of such unspeakable and unimaginable depravity against your citizens that it defies the understanding of any normal human being?

I’d like to hear the answer to this too.

How would people feel if this had happened at Glastonbury for instance?

I've been asking this same question for over two years and not one person has come up with a viabe answer.

@LucyWestenra

What are you defining as the "strongest possible way"?

Do we in the west arm and support Iran? Or Afghanistan? And call them democratic and legitimate states? The two states are not in fact comparable to Israel. Though, just fur clarity, I would not under any circumstances condone seeing Jewish people worldwide as responsible for the crimes of Israel. Or Muslims worldwide for the actions of rogue Islamic states either.

Millions of Jewish people are outraged by the genocide in Gaza, and yet are subjected to anti semitism due to misplaced blame for Israel's actions.

Yes, always important to differentiate between the good Jews and the bad Jews <sarcasm>

In fact, there was significant anti Irish racism, and many innocent people were framed and imprisoned. As well as torture of prisoners. And widespread human rights abuses in Northern Ireland. Just for the record. And, why on earth would Catholics in the UK be targeted? You clearly have no knowledge or understanding of the conflict in your own country, assuming you are British.

While you're here @singmoon I'd still like to know your thoughts on this.

Treating it as a hate crime.

You know, the same way abuse against black people or Muslims would be treated.

Why aren’t Jewish people worthy of the same protection?

Because right now they absolutely don’t have it and anyone who disagrees is being deliberately obtuse.

What Hamas did was clearly wrong. I said earlier that targeting civilians is always wrong, whether it is Hamas, other terrorists worldwide, or Israel. All three groups I mention here have done this, and are continuing to do this, and are all equally wrong. I can't see how you could disagree with this.

I was responding to the poster who referred to ‘Muslims’, not ‘Syrians’, Afghans etc. I was deliberately using a religious term.

You can’t equate Israel or even the Israeli government with Hamas. You just can’t.

They are not ‘all equally wrong’.

How can you honestly believe that?

And before people start jumping in with clever remarks: yes, I know that officially antisemitism is a hate crime.

But officially and in reality are two different things.

I didn't ask you what you thought of the wrongness of Hamas/terrorist groups/Israel's actions.
You said that Israelis' collective belief system is built on lies and they'll have a long and painful journey towards accepting the truth that the Israeli government and military's actions were indefensible. Do you agree that Palestinians also have a collective belief system based on lies and they will face a similar long and painful journey to confront and accept the same truth about their own leadership and armed forces?

Predictable 19% of MN jew haters disagree OP 😉. I haven't read the pages of your post yet but am guessing Israel gets brought in pretty quickly. Funny that, how the people that say you can't criticise Israel without being called antisemetic always bring Israel in when some are discussing jew hatred. Couldn't make it up really 😄

I know, at this rate you almost want them to come out and own it rather than spout rubbish.

In that case we can agree.

Wtf has that got to do with innocent Jewish people being shot to death on a beach in Australia? Look forward to your answer 🙄

What about the millions of Jews who are indeed Zionists and might even support the actions of Israel? (Not saying I'm one, just asking)... are they not entitled to the protection of their own countries? Do we have to prove we are worthy?

there are clearly millions of people of all sorts of religious and ethnic backgrounds who hold problematic views and yet they also deserve our protection. That's literally what makes us a democracy.

as an aside I would also love to know the correct response to October 7th. When Pearl Harbor was bombed the USA nuked Japan... twice.

I’m just going to assume you didn’t understand the post.

Apologies I didn’t read your post properly and thought you were saying do they not care about Palestinians being killed - in my defence I am so triggered by constant gaslighting over this subject that I just presume people will justify Jewish peoples murders these days

I agree with this

It is very disappointing to hear what my ds has been saying, he does not see his remarks as being anti sematic (owning banks, influence in media).

It is also shameful to disregard to anti-Semitism on the marches supporting peace in Gaza.