Right to bear arms

[Another2356]

I lived in the USA for 8 yrs and all my neighbours had guns, as a Brit I totally disagreed with this…. However since returning to the UK over the last 10 years, I’ve started to think they have a point. If UK law changes and I can purchase guns to protect myself and my family, I will absolutely do this. I feel I have the right to protect myself as the police are not available.

Absolutely not. It hasn’t made the US safer at all. It’s made it far more dangerous.

You’d need to be a full on walking lobotomy to believe adding guns to a society can ever make it safer.

Ready? I would say sanity won that argument and no anxiety isn't a reason to hand guns out that would be utterly insane

It isn't that we are "not ready" for the right to bear arms. That would suggest that allowing people to bear arms would be a positive development, whereas the evidence shows that it would be a very backwards step.

What the thread actually shows is that the UK is not in danger of adopting this policy any time soon, because most people can see how idiotic it would be.

Sadly, it seems that the US is "not ready" to change its gun laws, despite yet another mass shooting since you originally started the thread.

Sad this isn't a thread about heraldry and whether you are entitled to your own coat of arms.

Your use of the word "ready" implies that there will be a natural progression/evolution towards a culture embracing the insanity that the Americans live with (where school shootings are a normal part of life). On the other hand, a more hopeful view of humanity is that Americans are not yet ready to understand that their love of firearms is the thing that is killing their children, but maybe one day they will.

Your feeling that you would be "safer" in a country that allowed you (and millions of others) to carry a gun is totally irrational and untrue. You might benefit from some counselling if this nonsensical feeling persists.

“Not ready”???
You make it sound like we want this and are working towards it. We’re not.

Its common sense, the ability to learn and extrapolate from actual facts that means we don’t “bear arms” and don’t bloody want to either.

Sorry you don’t feel safe. Consider referring yourself for mental health support if you’re this anxious. And as my very wise GP said when I appeared in his surgery weeping with distress and holding the great classic As I Lay Dying - have you considered reading something more cheerful?

As has been explained British people do have the right to "bear arms" in that they can legally buy, own and use a gun - it is just very heavily regulated because we rightly regard the right not to be shot as more important than the right to own and use guns easily. What we also don't have is an obsession woth a 300 year old bit of a constitution that is not fit for purpose in the modern world.

You're kinda screwed if a man comes out swinging? A weapon levels the odds. I remember an American poster once saying she's glad she's never a victim in the USA because she can fight back.

Lots of us gun deaths are accidental and self inflicted as well.

Just on the basis that there have been reports of mass shootings in both the USA and Australia this morning, I think that shows what an absolutely fucking moronic idea you've had OP.
HTH.

Are you a bot or just a GB News fanatic? I’m born and bred Londoner who lives in Tower Hamlets and have done for over 40 years (all my life) as did my family before me.
this Sharia Law nonsense is ridiculous & fake news. London is a capital city, it’s not 100% safe nor has it ever been even before Sadiq Khan. But neither I, any of my family or friends, ever been a victim of a crime in London. (Did get mugged in Liverpool once though)

Umm ..... I am pretty confident that post was a joke.

Have you never heard of satire? Or sarcasm?

@Another2356 After the absolute tragedy at Dunblane, we tightened gun control, and rightly so. We don’t need more relaxed gun laws in the UK. We don’t want mass reports of children being shot at school or mass shootings in shopping centres or anywhere else.

As a woman living in the UK, I feel safe. I didn’t feel safe in the US, where people can carry weapons. In crowded places, I always had a thought in the back of my mind that I could get shot. When everyone has a gun, no one really has a gun.

Look at the mass shooting in Louisville in 2023. The shooter expected people in the bank to be armed and came prepared for a shootout. No one in the bank drew a weapon. Five people were killed and eight were injured.

What has emerged from this thread is that you aren't ready to listen to logical, reasoned arguments.

I think maybe repeated armed/violent burglary. Especially if they are threatening to kill the people in the home and holding them at gunpoint/knifepoint.

But I love seeing videos of Americans shooting and neutralising home invaders. Always cheers me up. Here it's all "damn they stole absolutely everything I worked so hard for. But at least it's insured".

I did some readily and the us state with the lowest homicide rate (New Hampshire) is quite pro gun. I don't think a full gun legalisation would work here at all. I'd admit it'd be a drastic disaster. But I'd want pepper spray and something to give myself a chance of fighting back.

Not ready? It’s not about readiness. It’s about the fact we don’t want to send our children to schools wearing Kevlar backpacks not knowing if they’ll come home that day, or to have to stand in a morgue and identify their bodies, because someone who couldn’t/wouldn’t join the army wants to play soldier. It’s not about personal safety. It’s about power over others.

I echo a previous poster who suggested if you’re feeling that powerless IRL (you’re not, you’re just hoping to start a bunfight), you should access mental health support. They can work on your self-esteem and distress tolerance.

But I love seeing videos of Americans shooting and neutralising home invaders. Always cheers me up.

You're a sociopath. You are exactly the sort of person that should never be let near a firearm.

There’s currently a man hunt on in Long Island after a shooting at brown uni yesterday. 2 have been killed and nine injured. Students on campus have been told to switch their phones on silent and lock their doors.

There has just been a mass shooting on Bondi Beach 10 people are dead including the shooter and 11 are injured.

@Another2356 and you actually think we should relax gun laws ? Clown

Interesting that the people who are against guns are the ones throwing personal comments about me and my views. Not once have I personally attacked your state of mind because you have a different view than me.

My unwokest opinion

If I lived in the US - i'd own a gun

Theyre mad over there. If everyone else is doing it, you will need to protect yourself.

In light of the news of terrorism at Bondi beach, and a gunman at Brown, this is purely hypothetical. My condolences to those who have lost people.

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Where on earth do you live in the UK that you feel that unsafe that you want a gun?

I suggest that those who cannot accept that someone may have a different perspective without personally attacking them are perhaps trying to shut down ‘free speech’. Not one person has attempted to explore why I may have a different view point, you have simply disagreed and then added personal derogatory comments. Again most interesting behaviour by those that disagree with me.

Personal comments do a squillionth of the damage that guns do.

So why do you feel so unsafe that you would like a gun?