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To ask if you think coming into existence is a good thing for every human

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Pavementworrier · 12/12/2025 15:36

We all live through pain at some point. Hopefully also joy (although I'd say that's a fairly modern possibility for ordinary folk). When you make a child exist is it always a good thing, regardless of the balance of ups and downs? Are you grateful just to be here for this experience no matter how it goes?

(Inspired by a conversation on another thread)

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SeaAndStars · 13/12/2025 09:11

Pavementworrier · 12/12/2025 23:11

But a lot of us will outlive those we love. Some never have any.

I have outlived many people and animals I have loved including my parents and my best friend.
Their being in my life enriched it and continues to do so. I am so grateful for the time I had with them and their memory remains and makes me happy every day. I am the person I am because of them.

Loss doesn't weaken love. If anything it makes it stronger. "What will survive of us is love".

Even when it doesn't feel like it there is always love in the world for everyone.

HelenaWaiting · 13/12/2025 09:23

Pavementworrier · 12/12/2025 15:59

Yes this sort of thing is what I mean. Only allowed to eat festive things on certain days thanks to sumptuary laws. You BELONGED to your feudal lord FFS. No privacy. Other people's shit jokes as the Lord of Fools your only entertainment.

It makes the Mrs brown's boys Christmas special sound ok in comparison.

(I have never watched the Mrs brown's boys Christmas special)

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You don't seem to have much knowledge of medieval history. The peasants weren't "owned". They held a low rank in a feudal hierarchy. They were free to move around the country at will. They could leave and set up somewhere else. The main issue was that they could never own the land they worked on. For that, and several other reasons, social mobility was extremely limited. But if you genuinely believe they were powerless you should read up on English society post the Black Death. FWIW, sumptuary laws had sod all to do with what people were allowed to eat and were not universal anyway - some countries had them, some didn't. That comment was pretty embarrassing. HTH.

Bryonyberries · 13/12/2025 10:16

Future generations may think the same for us when they have developed or invented things we can’t even imagine right now that make their lives easier than ours.

I think it’s all relative. We are constantly bombard with worries from all over the world which people in the past would have been oblivious to. The ordinary person would have had little clue about wars overseas unless it came to involve them directly, for example, whereas we have to worry about global conflicts and nuclear weapons. I think they had harder physical lives in the past but were much happier in these sense of community than many of us today.

Pavementworrier · 13/12/2025 20:02

HelenaWaiting · 13/12/2025 09:23

You don't seem to have much knowledge of medieval history. The peasants weren't "owned". They held a low rank in a feudal hierarchy. They were free to move around the country at will. They could leave and set up somewhere else. The main issue was that they could never own the land they worked on. For that, and several other reasons, social mobility was extremely limited. But if you genuinely believe they were powerless you should read up on English society post the Black Death. FWIW, sumptuary laws had sod all to do with what people were allowed to eat and were not universal anyway - some countries had them, some didn't. That comment was pretty embarrassing. HTH.

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SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · 13/12/2025 20:03

Pavementworrier · 13/12/2025 20:02

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Why was that funny?

Millytante · 13/12/2025 20:09

Pavementworrier · 12/12/2025 20:22

I kind of find women who envy the times before they were recognised as full people astounding and horrifying. I know it's an evolved mentality but Jesus. Oh those halcyon days of your husband being able to beat and rape you and your kids starving if the harvest failed and a third of women dying in childbirth #dreamytimes

I love being an adult with my own cash and job and property and abortion rights and pension and ability to only shag for pleasure. How DARE you ask what's so good about now.

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How “dare” she? For God’s sake, this is only Mumsnet; it’s not PMQ.

Pavementworrier · 13/12/2025 20:20

Millytante · 13/12/2025 20:09

How “dare” she? For God’s sake, this is only Mumsnet; it’s not PMQ.

True. But an ordinary woman who dismisses the wonder of her modern status is still pretty appalling.

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