To ask if you think coming into existence is a good thing for every human

[Pavementworrier]

We all live through pain at some point. Hopefully also joy (although I'd say that's a fairly modern possibility for ordinary folk). When you make a child exist is it always a good thing, regardless of the balance of ups and downs? Are you grateful just to be here for this experience no matter how it goes?

(Inspired by a conversation on another thread)

How’d you know I don’t have sense of humour? Some people who know me think I’m fucking hilarious. Some don’t.
I would say we just have different senses of humour. I don’t find your posts remotely funny - were they meant to be??
And what remarks have I made that make you not want to exist? Your threshold for not wanting to exist is pretty low.
You moaned about how joyless everything must have been. People disagreed. I offered a different perspective. You moaned a bit more and people disagreed again. Poor you.

You sound judgemental. Perhaps if you projected better energy you’d get more of whatever it is you want - empathy? - For what I don’t know, I don’t even know what you’re wanting me to empathise with for fucks sake, we are all going to die - but I dont agree with your miserable take and you just sound pretty fucking miserable altogether.

Haha yeah it's because the camera aperture is open for a while so they had to stay still. This is a bonkers thread and it's so strange to focus on toilets and showers. So the human race should have stopped by Neolithic times because they failed to invent flushing toilets?? It's just life. People get on with it. People used to have different lives to you. People in different countries have different lives to you. They might look at your life and think it seems solitary and too focused on commodities, as with a lot of the modern world. They might look at children and see they are living mainly virtually and conclude that they have no quality of life. People can be happy in all sorts of living situations.

To be honest I’m sorry I was ever born but I’m here now so I just have to get on with it.

I love The Good Life and before having children I had visions of living off the grid, growing my own food and make do and mend! I am quite minimalist and try to only buy if I really need something but I live in a city and have some mod cons.

I kind of find women who envy the times before they were recognised as full people astounding and horrifying. I know it's an evolved mentality but Jesus. Oh those halcyon days of your husband being able to beat and rape you and your kids starving if the harvest failed and a third of women dying in childbirth #dreamytimes

I love being an adult with my own cash and job and property and abortion rights and pension and ability to only shag for pleasure. How DARE you ask what's so good about now.

"oh women were happier before they could read"

What point are you trying to make? You don't seem very happy now, and yet you are saying times have never been better?

All people are trying to tell you is that people through the ages have managed to find joy in their lives. Not always, and not about everything, but to think that everyone before now was miserable is pretty strange.

It's ok I don't think you can engage with this topic don't worry about it.

And why's that then?

Don't worry about it, choccie.

Some people would’ve made the most of life and were content with their lot on the whole despite the suffering, where as others wouldn’t have been, just like today! It’s hard to believe now, but some women didn’t want the vote when the suffragette movement was happening!

What have I done to you to deserve such patronising responses?

Yes I know... But a modern woman looking back who belittles the awfulness of being a woman in those times is a different matter.

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Well that’s me told! Not sure there was any reason to get so rude. I was genuinely curious and you didn’t have to take a slur on the kind of woman I am! Seriously - are you even sure you’re ready for this thread you created!?

You are wisting after a time when I would have been my husband's property. Sorry but that merits rude in my book.

I suspect the OP is pissed off at everyone who has a different opinion from them I'm apparently beneath contempt too.

Bloody hell, this thread is almost as depressing as the one about the mum who hates nativity plays

Pointless question. It's not like there is a choice whether we come into existence or have the knowledge of an alternative.

But these people had children so that the children would grow up and work to contribute to household income and food on the table, and to look after them in old age, didn't they. They had children for 100% practical reasons. They didn't have children for joy or happiness. And they certainly didn't sit around analysing things. There wasn't time to.

It wasn’t all awful despite women having less rights. Throughout history women have not all been depressed and wished they had never been born! Plenty of women were very resilient and just got on with life the best they could.

I haven't seen that but nativities are rubbish??

Some schools try to mix things up with a modern take and I appreciate the effort but they're all rubbish

(It's still nice they happen but no need to pretend they're enjoyable for adults)

Came for a lighthearted thread and ended up witnessing someone’s unprocessed issues take the wheel

Yeah I agree with that. If you didn't have kids life would be worse than if you did in a very basic food on the table battle for survival way. It must have been wall to wall stress.

The reason nobody smiled in early photographs is because a) it was considered common to smile in photos, and generally speaking it was the upper classes that were having their photographs taken, not the lower classes, b) people in that time had terrible teeth, even the upper classes, and they didn't want these showing in photographs, and c) it took ages to take a photograph, it wasn't an instant click of the camera like it is now, so nobody could hold anything other than a neutral expression for the duration of time it took to take the photo!