To wonder if the Doctors strike will still go ahead next week?

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Does anyone know when it will be decided if the strike will be called off because of the flu next week?

What do you think about it?

yes they do get paid over time - not sure wy you think they dont
They can also exception report and get an automatic payment

38K for a first graduate job for 1 year is not abd and pay goes up rapidly. As FY1 doctors are not fully qualfied and heavily supervised.

I never said trust grade jobs were training posts but you have not told me how the same job done for 6 months by a doctor on a training programme and the same job done by a trust grade for 6 months is not still training the trust grade doctor in the same way as the doctor on the training programme. same job smae imtetbale, same hours same teaching from the same consultants etc.

Hopefully your child from being ina trust grade job will learn there is no distinction and they learn as much as they do when they get a training post, but if they have your attitude - your attitude to international medical graduates and allied healthcare professionals is fairly derogatory on other threads - shame that you do not know understand how training works in the NHS.

As a nurse, I fully support the doctor strike. Working conditions are awful, pay is awful, NHS culture is awful. Many of us have had enough and leaving in droves , it’s probably the worst I’ve ever seen the NHS- cost cutting from front line staff so senior leadership can all keep there jobs.

Exactly this. As a patient, carer of patients and as a tax payer I totally support it.

I want UK trained doctors and nurses treating me and loved ones. I don’t want to be funding the training of professionals, chucking those professionals on the scrap heap and then stealing the same professionals from other countries which need them. It’s a waste of tax payers money, unethical and can bring additional safety risks with language barriers, corruption in recruitment and cultural differences that can influence the patient clinical relationship when treating some vulnerable and minority groups.

The Tories caused this and Labour have known about it. It’s appalling that it has just been ignored and hidden. I find it a bit rich that Wes Streeting is happy to sell UK trained junior doctors down the river one minute and then decide they’re crucial the next.

If the number of cases keeps rising with no sign of a peak then I think it's possible it could be cancelled. But it's too late to completely avoid disruption. My baby needs surgery in the next few weeks for an issue that could become an emergency at any time. The op has been pushed well into the new year because they said they weren't comfortable with staffing levels around the strikes and it would take a bit of time to settle after due to Christmas.

They must know how much the pay is though, it's hardly a secret.

The wards will be staffed with consultants rather than junior doctors.

Then get rid of the artificial cap imposed by the BMA and allow more of our own domestically-trained to take up posts on the NHS. Oh wait, we need immigrants to keep the NHS going, don't we?

We need immigrants to keep the NHS going to treat the immigrants, so we need more immigrants to keep the NHS going so we can treat more immigrants.

It's the same with housing. We need more immigrants to build more houses, but we need to house the immigrants to keep the house-building up.

More government bureaucracy is needed (more civil service jobs, usually) to manage the government bureaucracy to manage the government bureaucracy.

You see how this is impossible to sustain? Well, we got there some decades ago and too many people are blind to it.

That's a relief to know.

Doctors are tax payers too.

No it wont
Consultants step in.
Its scaremongering

That thought crossed my mind, too!

They're paying taxes with money that's already been lifted from the taxpayer. So effectively, they don't really pay tax. Their salary is entirely from the taxpayer.

I say just pay them what they're owed after taxation. But, as with everything in the public sector, that'd be more bureaucracy on top of the suffocating bureaucracy there already is. The way it's done at the moment also means the figures can be massaged more easily, ie you can make the tax take look lower than it is.

They're a net recipient of the taxpayer.

Exactly. They get out of the state more than they pay into it. They're what you could call 'statists' or 'rent-seekers'.

I am just wondering if the current flu deniers on this thread were Covid deniers too? Are you anti vaccers as well? Shame on you especially if your child is a medic.
I have 4 DC. Almost 50 per cent off his class was off with flu! This has never happened before. It’s not because they refused a vaccine. The schedule for their vaccine wasn’t until early December so they all dropped after October half term. It was worse than Covid for these kids.
The Government has to raise awareness so people get the jab who can. It’s immoral for doctors to strike in this climate. Against their code. I am not anti striking during summer months. But nobody would have striked during Covid so why strike during a flu outbreak that we have data for from other countries Australia Japan etc etc Doctors are scientists after all, the data is there is black and white.

Playing with lives is reckless. The strike needs to be postponed until May 26.

He’s a rarity then. The ones I see aren’t like that at all. Fucking sat around gossiping about weekend plans and can’t find them for love nor money sometimes

I am sick of hearing how hard medicine is and how abd the conditions are - when you see 4/5 of themhaving a 1+ hr coffee break in costa/starbucksetc near our hospital. The on call doctors stay but rarely are the most junior residentsstaying till sll hours.

You do see the senior residents stay and check on stuff but this is factored in to their rotas. \they ahve s\zero days and zero weeks if working nights so it is an average. Log shifts - sorry 11,10, 12 hour shifts are done by many in many jobs so not really long. The old days of 24 hr on call on site is long gone and rightly so.

There are many doctors who go above and beyond but there are an awful lot who strictly do what the rota says and not a second more - whch is their right but not really the ehos of what most people think of as a doctor.

Where it all went wrong was when managers thought they could harness the flexibility that doctors gave freely to their jobs - they would stay late and go the extra mile and think they could make it part of a rota and not pay. Giving up your free time out of your choice is your right not a managers to assume the NHS can demand it.

If the sh1t hits the fan - think bombs, terror attacks, unexpected emergency admission the NHS stands up en masse and people never used to question how long or ask what the rate is before they helped now - our current residents do. For many older doctors, nurses, admin staff etc this is an anathema which they find offensive

The recent residents media campaign that they should be paid for the extra hour because the clocks went back so they worked an extra hour was deeply offensiv. The converse of being a hour less when the clocks go forward was not entertained - they wanted paying, so many did what the X campaign said and exception reported so got an automatic payment and then expect TOIL for a day for the 1 hr they geel aggrieved about. That is the offensive attitude the BMA is promoting and for those of us who do work in the health service find depply offensive.

I note pruple snow claiming 22000 uk traind doctors are unemployed - where are those figured because that is just not true.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/im-doctor-cant-nhs-job-36243050

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2134003/uk-doctors-work-british-nhs#amp-readmore-target

Well yeah, If I spent years training to be a doctor and kept getting denied a role on the NHS, and then had to listen to DEI loons warble on about how the NHS needs more immigrants, I'd be mighty pissed off and join in with strike action.

Those are not validated statistics - people in some surveys have said they are unemployed when taking maternity leave, choosing to go to Australia for a year out etc.

There are not stats that say 20000 - and that doctor is currently employed according to his linkedin. Some people are not prepared to move fora job and only want to stay in one place then you narrow your job choices automatically.

Just because you do not have the exact job in the exact place that you want and have had to do something differnet but allied does not make you unempyed. }I do nto want the jobI am doing right now but it is a necessary stepping stone for where I want to go in a place I want to live in

We need to ban overseas doctors from competing against acceptable uk medical graduate candidates.

Doctors are amongst the highest paid public servants we have. They don’t need more money. The jobs shortage proves that there are plenty of candidates for each role.

It’s a shame doctors keep shooting themselves in the foot by pairing their totally valid concerns about jobs with the totally invalid moaning on pay. If they want a pay rise I suggest they ask those doctors at the top of the pay scale to take a pay cut to pay for it.

It is madness that the UK are paying to train our own doctors but instead of employing them they import International Medical Graduates leaving UK trained doctors unemployed.

There is always a poster that is anti UK medical graduate prioritisation or who argues against the statistics. There is one on here and only they know why they are doing it....

I think resident doctors should be paid more but now is not the time. The BMA should concentrate on UK Medical Graduate Prioritisation. Doctors want jobs and career progression above a pay rise.

I always heard we needed the foreign NHS workers. I used to think it was because we didn't have enough UK staff. But we do.... They just don't progress as it gets taken by foreign doctors (who deprive their home country of medical professionals)