Does Anyone know what a birthing person is ?

[Teacupover5]

Listening to Nicky Campbell on 5 live this morning 9-10 minutes in if anyone wants to listen again .Guest is discussing investigation into declining standards in maternity services .
Refers to women and birthing people being let down .
AIBU to not understand what a birthing person is ,and to wonder if this focus on inclusivity has had an impact on declining care for women ?

Sorry didn’t see you’d already replied

Only when they had men with penises with them at the time. They couldn't have committed their crime alone with other women in a single sex space for women.

Nobody ‘identifies as a woman’ - they either are one or not, whether they like it or not.

‘Birthing person’ is Orwellian nonsense language designed to ultimately benefit men. We should all be rejecting it because language shapes culture and behaviour.

Why are we discussing my comfort? I don’t make the rules, i’m just relaying the circumstances!

Actually modern research is showing this not to be the case. Sex presentation is (generally) binary but research is showing that at the chromosome level it’s far more complex. I have huge respect for professor Winston but there are others in the field that disagree with him.

You don't think that Prof Winston is aware of DSDs? There's still only two sexes.

Of for the love of God! What an utter load of self obsessed, navel gazing nonsense. Millions of women give birth every year, in squalid almost medieval surroundings, who would give anything to access our First World maternity care.

Yet, we're meant to pander to this delusion whilst the deluded person is actually giving birth FFS.

Gravity is incredibly complex and still not fully explained.

Nevertheless, we can build houses safe in the knowledge that gravity will hold the bricks down.

The presence of complexity within the bounds of a thing does not negate the general cases.

The variations of sexual development do not ever result in a human born with functioning cock and balls being a woman, nor a person gestating a baby not being one. The only way that can happen is if we change the word to mean something else.

In asking what the birthing person would be after the birth (Dad or Non-Mum) I wasn’t wondering about the law or the birth certificate. I was wondering about the family dynamics.
I can’t imagine it’s going to be easy on a child to be born to a woman and a mother who cant bring herself to admit she is one.

I hate ‘birthing’ anyway! Whatever happened to ‘giving birth’? To me it sounds lazy/uneducated or both.

Yes. I've been trying to work out why seeing these words makes me feel so uncomfortable. They don't effect me after all. I'm way past the age where I even need to hear them uttered on a labour ward.
I've concluded it's because the introduction of a term in addition to 'women' to describe giving birth uses linguistic trickery to plant the idea that you don't have to be a woman to do something and be somewhere that is the preserve of women.
It's part of a wider push to blur the biological differences between the sexes, pretending we are all just 'people' and our bodies and biological functions are interchangeable and fluid.
Once we accept this, any arguments for divisions on the grounds of sex appear false and pointless. If giving birth now includes people other than women, then there is no limit to what people who are not women can be included in. And we know which people who aren't women seek to gain from that.

Good god in heavens above
The world is officially mad
LOLOLOL

There are two sexes with variations within each sex because there are two types of gametes. Your sex refers to which gamete you are organised to produce (even if medical issues mean you don’t produce them). There is no third gamete

It also eases the way to referring to just “parents” rather than mother and father. Used in the context of “chest feeding” you then have midwives helping “parents” to “chestfeed” the baby with “human milk” (not breast milk) and Bob’s your uncle. The NHS supports men who are perverts to abuse their newborn by trying to get it to suckle drug induced exudate from their nipple and pretend they are just another woman who needs help to breastfeed.

It’s sickening.

‘Others in the field’ can say that the sea isn’t wet but it doesn’t make it any more true.

There are only two sexes and no amount of desperate wishing or linguistic trickery will change this.

Exactly. And attempts to undermine the sacrosanct title of mother which is also a legal concept with primary responsibility for the child.

This was highlights when Freddy McConnell went to court to try and literally deny her child a mother by naming her as the father on the birth certificate.

I can’t fathom the level of narcissism that would lead a mother to do this to her baby. No one should be encouraging these women to get pregnant.

YANBU, only women give birth so I've no idea what a "birthing person" is.

The most grammatically logical understanding would be a person utilised in the process of birth (like a birthing stool/pool/chair) so the midwife, doctor, partner of the women in labour, an ancillary to the process rather than the subject.

Agreed. We need to start compassionately treating these women/men for their, very obvious, mental illness.

Absolutely agree .I have been considering why ,like you ,as a woman close to the age of 60 this has enraged me so much and you have nailed it .
I am so worried for the future of women and girls as they seem to be in a far worse situation than I was 40 /45 years ago.I had to fight for opportunities but I always had a level of respect .
In terms of women’s position in society, we seem to face erosion from many different forces .
The absolute absurdity ,of a woman who is supposed to be championing better women’s maternity services, uttering the words birthing person has brought into focus how much we have lost and how real women are currently regarded ..

It is also a clunky, unsatisfactory use of language:

‘A woman’ noun, describes one of two sexes designed by nature to give birth whether or not they become pregnant, and reflects a state of being affecting their entire lives from birth till death. It works universally, regardless of varying contexts.

‘A birthing person’ is a sort of noun phrase for a sort of job description, which in actual fact can only involve ‘a woman’ anyway - just one relegated to a quick, isolated role of pushing out a baby. I am not sure why they even bother with the person part. Just say ‘ birther’ like we say ‘cleaner’ or ‘road sweeper’ etc.

Changing the word without changing the fact can only mean transmen (women) are being treated, by coerced people around them, with make-believe silly terminology as though assuming they are mentally disturbed and possibly illiterate, and therefore unaware they must be women all along.