Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ask for advice on how to handle dm with newborn?

131 replies

CountingDownToAutumn · 09/12/2025 15:27

This will be long so please bare with me.

I’m currently pregnant with my fourth child and as I’m hitting the third trimester I’m starting to get really anxious about the newborn period. Particularly my mother during the newborn period. I see her at least once a week so she can see the children and while I’d say things are generally ok, that also has a lot to do with me not rocking the boat.

The problem is she can be very overbearing, cannot tolerate not having her own way and will fly of the handle or flounce if she doesn’t like something. This is usually manageable but when there’s a newborn it goes to a completely new level! Examples;

Dc1; Would not accept that I did not want her in the room when I gave birth. After months of wearing me down she guilted me into it by saying her best friend’s daughter had her in the room when she had her grandchild and it was a lovely experience for her friend.
Tried to take newborn ds of my ex a couple of minutes after he started having his first hold in the delivery room. When he politely said he’d like a bit longer first she flounced. I called her an hour later just for her to shout at me about how she felt pushed out by ex.
Ds had reflux and before we changed his milk would not sleep and scream for hours. After around 48 hours of nobody getting any sleep I’d finally got him down for an afternoon nap. She called informing me she was on the way with my dad. I begrudgingly agreed but asked her not to pick him up as he needed sleep. She started pouting and disappointedly complaining until I gave in.
Invited various family members over to my house to meet the baby when I wasn’t up to visitors.
And the one that still makes me furious when I think back to it… first proper outing with ds in the pram at a few days old. We got out of the car and immediately she takes the pram off me shouting ‘my pram’ and starts pushing it. I let her do it because I didn’t have the energy for the hassle and think I’ll have a go later. She pushes the pram the entire time. At the last shop I’m paying at the till and as we leave to go back to the car I take the pram. We’ve barely made it outside and yet again she takes it off me shouting ‘my pram’. This time I say I’d like a go now and she flies off the handle, marches ahead of me all while screaming behind at me that ‘she wants the best bits’ and that she ‘won’t be left with just the shit’.

Dc2; The newborn period was a bit more of a blur. The two instances that stand out are her bringing ds1 to visit the baby in hospital. He has ASD and Global developmental delay so was non verbal at the time and needed constant supervision. She got so sidetracked by the baby that she repeatedly ignored him to fuss the baby. This resulted in me panicking as he tried to get in the discarded medical sharps bin. I couldn’t move to get him as I had a catheter.
She put a lot of pressure on me for her to take baby dd for the day at around two weeks old. I’d kept brushing it off hoping she’d get the hint that I wasn’t ready but she’d paint it as me being able to give my undivided attention to ds. Making me feel awful for wanting to refuse. I spent the entire day anxious and miserable.

Dc3; I had needed a large piece of furniture assembled for a while and my dad had agreed to do it. It ended up being that the day he scheduled happened to be the day after she was born. What usually would happen is my mum would drop my dad over and pick him up when he was done as he can be quite slow (likes to make sure a job is done properly). Not this time! She spent nine hours planted on the sofa, only leaving to collect her friend so the friend could also see the baby. She held the baby the entire time, if I so much as tried to have a turn holding her she’d get twitchy and take her back. Dd was very mucus-y after birth and this would come up in feeds. She fed her and this happened. Next feed she originally said she wouldn’t do it as she was nervous only to say ‘actually I want to do it, give her to me’ about five seconds after the bottle hit her mouth. When she eventually left she placed dd in her basket and as she was leaving I went to pick her up. She turned to me and had the nerve to say ‘don’t, she’ll be spoilt and expect it all the time’. So it was ok for her to hold my day old baby all day but heaven forbid I actually want to give her a cuddle! Then I’m spoiling her! I actually took up breastfeeding at that moment because there was a family event a few days later I had to attend and I couldn’t tolerate the thought of my mum holding her the entire time again.

So on to now. Pregnant with dc4. This baby has a different father to my first three. My ex can be quite a meek man. If he does react it will be snide so it often went over my mother’s head. Dp is far more forthright and if he feels someone is pushing his boundaries will be upfront about it. This will not go down well with my mum. He’s already pushing for us to have the first week just ourselves as he/we feel the children will need time to adjust. I brought this up to my mum and she shouted that she ‘just won’t bother then’. My sister has also mentioned people having time just themselves after birth to her in the past and she replied that she wouldn’t listen and would turn up regardless of what we said. My sister also fell out with her on several occasions leading up to the birth of her child and after.

I’m so anxious about this. I don’t want another recently postpartum period of her taking over/being demanding. I don’t know how to get her to understand how she acts has consequences on my mental health. I don’t want to fall out with her, it’s hell but if she goes about this birth the way she has with the previous childrens it will happen regardless because dp wont put up with it!

OP posts:
Cherrysoup · 03/01/2026 15:43

Bonbon21 · 03/01/2026 15:15

Grandparents do not have any rights in the uk. She is talking through her arse.
You need to tell your health visitor/ gp about her behaviour and get on record the effect it is having on you, your pregnancy and your children AND your relationship with your partner AND you successful co-parenting relationship with your ex!
Let your partner stand between you and your toxic mother meantime and let her do her worst. Her past and present behaviour cannot have gone unnoticed by others, so she can rant all she likes.
Please dont let her have access to your kids, she will absolutely screw with their heads. You know she has done a number on you already, so protect them.
Tiger Mother mode from here on in.
Look after yourself and enjoy your new baby when it arrives.x

Please follow this advice. She won’t stand a chance of winning any so-called ‘grandparents’ rights’. She’s done a hell of a number on you and has manipulated you for years. I think your dp is right to be worried about her behaviour following the birth. Let him stand up for (and between) you.

You need to keep contact to a minimum, you don’t have to give her one pick up a fortnight when she can’t cope with them together, plus you know she’s going to tell them various bollocks.

You need to minimise the stress she causes you and focus on the baby and your own health, which seems to mean low to no contact. She’s traumatised you for years and has trained you to cave: stand up for yourself!

Unicornsandprincesses · 03/01/2026 15:47

Can’t you see she’s just using every single trick in her toolbox to scare you into submitting.

tell her you’d welcome social services involvement at this point, and in fact, call her bluff and phone them yourselves for a chat!!! You have nothing to hide and perhaps you, DP and ExP can sit down with somebody and discuss what is going on, together, all three of you sharing your concerns about your mum and what she’s threatening.

then what will she resort to?

she will probably threaten suicide. That’s about the last tool in her toolbox. Easily dealt with, you phone the police to conduct a welfare check.

Stop engaging, be calm and keep your head on your shoulders. Decide what you want and stick to it. Don’t let her threats make you back down.

its all a power play.

Ohwhatfuckeryitistoride · 03/01/2026 15:51

Let your dp advocate for you.Tell him how you want things to be and he gatekeeps you and baby. If she gets narky, well tough. And then when things have calmed down get over to StatelyHomes and get some helping building barriers like the Great Wall of China.

ManyPigeons · 03/01/2026 17:48

Didn’t RTFT. Your mums got you stuck in FOG (fear, obligation, guilt) around her. But she doesn’t have any right - legal or otherwise - to your children or you.

Evaka · 03/01/2026 17:54

Oh OP, I'm suffocated just reading this. Please take all the sound advice above and cut this fucking headbanger out of your life with the support of your partner. Jesus, she's as awful as any abusive man I've read about on here.

ManyPigeons · 03/01/2026 17:59

Cut her out op. Grandparents have NO LEGAL RIGHTS TO ACCESS. She wouldn’t even make it to a court because any solicitor would tell her she has 0 chance.

Im also not sure why you think SS or the police or anyone really would consider your past abusive relationship relevant to your parenting ability or current relationships. You were the victim of a crime not some kind of conspirator… they clearly have a disgusting view of abuse victims as being complicit in their abuse.

BunsBoots · 03/01/2026 18:17

Unicornsandprincesses · 03/01/2026 15:47

Can’t you see she’s just using every single trick in her toolbox to scare you into submitting.

tell her you’d welcome social services involvement at this point, and in fact, call her bluff and phone them yourselves for a chat!!! You have nothing to hide and perhaps you, DP and ExP can sit down with somebody and discuss what is going on, together, all three of you sharing your concerns about your mum and what she’s threatening.

then what will she resort to?

she will probably threaten suicide. That’s about the last tool in her toolbox. Easily dealt with, you phone the police to conduct a welfare check.

Stop engaging, be calm and keep your head on your shoulders. Decide what you want and stick to it. Don’t let her threats make you back down.

its all a power play.

Great advice here @CountingDownToAutumn. Please listen.

SewingWarriorQueen76 · 03/01/2026 18:47

You need to make the boundaries now and stick to them. She will keep taking if you let her, she will twist your words but only to people who can be bothered to listen to her.
She is not the parent and all of the parents , you , current DP and ex DP are all on the same page- which is a massive support.

From all you have said is, nothing shows that she is of any benefit to you or your children, nor your Dad.

You owe them nothing and your children require stability, especially when a new sibling is arriving.

This is also impacting your new parters experience of being a father.

She/ they are still damaging you and you need to break the cycle

CountingDownToAutumn · 04/01/2026 15:55

Thank you all for the advice and words of wisdom. I’ve read them all and it’s much appreciated! I have heard nothing from either my parents (expected) or sister. My ex has also heard nothing.

I’m somewhat nervous. My children are due to go to their dads tomorrow and it’s his five day week with them. I’m worried the quiet is because my mum is waiting for them to be at their dad’s tomorrow before trying something. There’s not much I can think of… the only thing that springs to mind is trying to report dp to social services in the hope that they will investigate and tell my ex to keep the children there while they do this. She will be hoping that my past abusive relationship will be enough of a sway for this to happen. If they were to investigate my ex wouldn’t have any concerns, neither would the school. He’s never had any kind of police involvement. If they were to talk to dp’s family they are all lovely supportive people and if they were to talk to my children (well, the ones who are able) they wouldn’t have anything bad to say. Is this something that could happen?

OP posts:
RandomMess · 04/01/2026 15:59

She can make a malicious report, SS will find nothing, you can explain it’s malicious and you will be believed.

SweetBaklava · 04/01/2026 16:33

RandomMess · 04/01/2026 15:59

She can make a malicious report, SS will find nothing, you can explain it’s malicious and you will be believed.

Absolutely this, social services simply do not have the time for this kind of carry-on!

VikaOlson · 04/01/2026 16:35

CountingDownToAutumn · 04/01/2026 15:55

Thank you all for the advice and words of wisdom. I’ve read them all and it’s much appreciated! I have heard nothing from either my parents (expected) or sister. My ex has also heard nothing.

I’m somewhat nervous. My children are due to go to their dads tomorrow and it’s his five day week with them. I’m worried the quiet is because my mum is waiting for them to be at their dad’s tomorrow before trying something. There’s not much I can think of… the only thing that springs to mind is trying to report dp to social services in the hope that they will investigate and tell my ex to keep the children there while they do this. She will be hoping that my past abusive relationship will be enough of a sway for this to happen. If they were to investigate my ex wouldn’t have any concerns, neither would the school. He’s never had any kind of police involvement. If they were to talk to dp’s family they are all lovely supportive people and if they were to talk to my children (well, the ones who are able) they wouldn’t have anything bad to say. Is this something that could happen?

This is your sign that someone who is prepared to threaten your children's happiness and stability like this, is not someone who should ever have contact with them.

If she actually does call social services (rather than just using the threat to abuse and control you), they will make a few phone calls and close the case as there are no worries.

It's clear you were vulnerable to an abusive relationship in the past as you grew up with abusive parents.

CountingDownToAutumn · 04/01/2026 17:01

Logically I know I would be happier if I didn’t have to see either of my parents again and I know no contact with the children would be for the best. Every time I’ve asked her to back off a bit in the past its been ignored. I know if she had them once a fortnight it wouldn’t be enough and before long she’d start creating issues in the hope of getting her way.

My sister is making me doubt myself. She knows our mum is difficult but she thinks I’m being too harsh on her. That I need to set boundaries because that worked for her. She forgets the fact that she lives four hours away so it’s a lot easier! My mum started her shit with her when she was pregnant but my sister just wouldn’t put up with it from the start. My mum is now less forceful with her. I think either down to the fact my sister could just cut her off and she’d never know anything of her grandchild or it wasn’t worth the fallout as she doesn’t see much of them as it is.

I think that’s actually made it worse for me. If she lived closer my mum would split herself between us both. As it is I’ve got the full force of her.

OP posts:
ButTheBeesMargaret · 04/01/2026 17:53

CountingDownToAutumn · 04/01/2026 17:01

Logically I know I would be happier if I didn’t have to see either of my parents again and I know no contact with the children would be for the best. Every time I’ve asked her to back off a bit in the past its been ignored. I know if she had them once a fortnight it wouldn’t be enough and before long she’d start creating issues in the hope of getting her way.

My sister is making me doubt myself. She knows our mum is difficult but she thinks I’m being too harsh on her. That I need to set boundaries because that worked for her. She forgets the fact that she lives four hours away so it’s a lot easier! My mum started her shit with her when she was pregnant but my sister just wouldn’t put up with it from the start. My mum is now less forceful with her. I think either down to the fact my sister could just cut her off and she’d never know anything of her grandchild or it wasn’t worth the fallout as she doesn’t see much of them as it is.

I think that’s actually made it worse for me. If she lived closer my mum would split herself between us both. As it is I’ve got the full force of her.

I sympathise OP. I’m the sibling who moved away and went NC. My siblings are still in my home town. One of them has gone extremely low contact, but the other sibling lives very close to DM’s house, and finds it much harder. I found it easy to shut my mother off, but they’ve really struggled to manage her behaviour and their own ideas as to what their relationships should look like.

Ultimately, you are the matriarch of your own family. Your DM has had her time. You need to protect yourself, and your little ones.

MinecraftMum40 · 04/01/2026 18:20

You need to stand up to her. Her sulking is so ridiculous. She only getting away with it because you are allowing her to-I say that with kindness as I used to be a walk over. You need to set firm boundaries with her as she acts like a child.

CountingDownToAutumn · 05/01/2026 21:15

An update… not a particularly good one.

My ex called me this afternoon to tell me that my mum had called him. He answered by accident and immediately hung up before she’d had a chance to say anything. We were both stressed about it so decided the best action was for him to message her neutrally to ask what she wanted. It turned out she wanted my house number. He told her he didn’t know it and she said it was fine, she’d just drive past my house and get it that way. That’s really unsettled me.

I’m not sure if it was the best course of action but I called her to ask her what she was playing at. I know this is what she actually wanted all along, if it was really about my house number she would have just drove past, got it and not said a thing. She wants it for the court application she’s about to start.

This is where it gets complicated. When I was in the abusive relationship me and my ex didn’t have the best relationship. We were divorced but still living together as neither of us could afford to move. It was me who wanted the divorce and he was quite bitter about it. I wasn’t in the best headspace and me and my ex argued a lot. He massively regrets this now and I forgive him but he would provoke me, take videos when I eventually reacted to him that made me look unstable and send them to my mum. I have no idea what’s in these videos. He has said it was always me reacting to him. Not about the kids and they were words. I have never in any way been aggressive or violent. He has said if it ever came to it he’d explain it. He really is very sorry and said at the time he never believed we’d ever be amicable, let alone friends. Now my mother has kept these videos and is saying she has everything she needs to take me down if she needs to.

Back to the phone call. My mother said she’s going to court to have them overnight every weekend and for dinner one day in the week. I explained to her that I could never give her that because half of those days every other week wouldn’t be mine! They’d be my ex’s. She said she’s doing it anyway, has seen a solicitor and alluded to using those videos against me. I explained that actually I know the court process and I’m aware no judge would grant her that amount of contact. It would cost thousands (she said she’d release equity from the house). She doesn’t have money she could throw at this. She told me I’ve got a screw loose and everyone will see that eventually and that she ‘doesn’t give a shit about the new baby’. Her only concern is contact with my children with my ex. She also told me that she had a good mind to hunt down dp’s mother and show her these videos of me so she can see that she’s not the mental one.

She did eventually back down. I told her I never said that she couldn’t see the children. She’d actually find that I’d said she could have them for dinner every other week. She seemed to be under the impression I was denying her all contact. When I told her that wasn’t the case and sent her proof of that she said she’d never really use those videos against me, she’d never do that to the kids.

I don’t know what to do. I’m actually wondering if it would be worth logging this with the police?

OP posts:
CherrieTomaties · 05/01/2026 21:36

Have read all your updates OP. I’m so sorry you’re having to deal with all this whilst heavily pregnant.

My only advice would be: to not engage with her or your father. And that goes for you, your partner and your ex. For all of you to block her number. Keep your doors locked at all times and if she turns up, just don’t let her in. Don’t allow the kids to have contact with her.

Make a report to the police for harassment. Her behaviour is unwanted. More info here: https://www.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/beta-stalking-and-harassment/what-is-stalking-harassment/

As for her going through the courts. Let her. Just let her. She won’t get anywhere with it. I promise you nothing will be held against you. She won’t have any “rights” granted to her.

Please don’t feel guilty for this. Put yourself first for once.

I wish you all the best for the remainder of your pregnancy and birth 💐

RandomMess · 05/01/2026 21:51

Block her, let her waste lots of money on taking you to court.

In your back pocket you could keep her having them once every 4 weeks for tea.

Yes I would report it to the police and I would investigate what you would need for non-mol/harassment order against her.

Cocomelon67 · 05/01/2026 21:57

I’m really sorry you’re dealing with this. My instinct would be to call her bluff by blocking her and ignoring all provocation. But I think the best thing would be to get legal advice to reassure you. I’m not a family court judge or social worker but I do frequently go to case conferences and I would have faith in them seeing past some shouting in videos some years ago and seeing your ‘D’M for what she is.

Unfortunately she is a total bully. I don’t think appeasing her will bring you any peace. I would seek to take out a non molestation order if you can against her too.

CountingDownToAutumn · 05/01/2026 22:15

I’ve blocked her on all social media just for my own peace of mind. I don’t really want to provoke her at the moment but I also can’t cope with what she’s doing.

My mother has kept what she believes to be ‘leverage’ on me to use at a future date. She actually told me on the phone ‘did I really believe she’d just let me take the children away from her’. The possessiveness terrifies me. She really seems to believe that her behaviour is normal and I’ve got problems and I’m unhinged.

OP posts:
Cocomelon67 · 05/01/2026 22:17

I’m so sorry. You’re absolutely not the crazy one here. Keep this thread as reminder when you need it and her gaslighting has you questioning your sanity. You are not the problem.

ManyPigeons · 05/01/2026 22:20

Play her own game back. Tell her if she ever threatens you again or tries to manipulate you you’ll report her for harassment and blackmail. And you’ll take out a non mol order against her.

Lovemeda · 05/01/2026 22:23

I haven't read the full thread so don't know if this has been mentioned. I think you should Google what someone is like when they have narcissistic personality disorder.

Your Mum sounds like a textbook case. They feed off drama and live to create it. They like their world to revolve around them too. They lie and manipulate people to get what they want.

The only way that you will ever get any peace is by stopping all contact with her and that includes no longer allowing her access to your kids. Your Dad is an enabler and so that means cutting contact with him too.

She's abusive and it will affect your kids. She will destroy your relationship with your new dp if you continue to allow her access to you and your kids.

Amy authorities will see through her. Tell the schools that she's not to have access to your children. Report her to the police for harassment and seek advice about getting a non molestation order in place.

Write down everything she's threatening you with and examples of what she's done to worry you in the past including her inability to keep your kids safe.

Tell the police that you're concerned that she will attempt to kidnap at least one of your kids and that you believe she presents a safeguarding risk to all of the children.

No court in the land will allow her to take those kids from you given that your ex and current partner will back you up. Parents have greater rights than grandparents. They don't have a leg to stand on.

Never let her have access to your newborn.

ManyPigeons · 05/01/2026 22:28

Also do remember that there are children who are actually physically and emotionally abused and neglected who are not even taken from their parents… so a parent everyone says is fine and a good parent is not going to lose their kids even if there are a few videos of her screaming at someone during an abusive argument.

SS doesn’t have the time, money or desire to deprive you of your children. Your mum just thinks everyone will jump to meet her desires because she’s a narcissist

CherrieTomaties · 05/01/2026 22:28

CountingDownToAutumn · 05/01/2026 22:15

I’ve blocked her on all social media just for my own peace of mind. I don’t really want to provoke her at the moment but I also can’t cope with what she’s doing.

My mother has kept what she believes to be ‘leverage’ on me to use at a future date. She actually told me on the phone ‘did I really believe she’d just let me take the children away from her’. The possessiveness terrifies me. She really seems to believe that her behaviour is normal and I’ve got problems and I’m unhinged.

Please block her number.

Send her text like. “Mum, I wish to cease all contact with you from now on. If you try to call me/partner/ex I will keep a log and report to the police as harassment”. Then block her.

You will never have a normal or amicable relationship with her.

She is not worth the stress.

Please put yourself first.

Block her number. Do not engage further with her.