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CountingDownToAutumn · 09/12/2025 15:27

This will be long so please bare with me.

I’m currently pregnant with my fourth child and as I’m hitting the third trimester I’m starting to get really anxious about the newborn period. Particularly my mother during the newborn period. I see her at least once a week so she can see the children and while I’d say things are generally ok, that also has a lot to do with me not rocking the boat.

The problem is she can be very overbearing, cannot tolerate not having her own way and will fly of the handle or flounce if she doesn’t like something. This is usually manageable but when there’s a newborn it goes to a completely new level! Examples;

Dc1; Would not accept that I did not want her in the room when I gave birth. After months of wearing me down she guilted me into it by saying her best friend’s daughter had her in the room when she had her grandchild and it was a lovely experience for her friend.
Tried to take newborn ds of my ex a couple of minutes after he started having his first hold in the delivery room. When he politely said he’d like a bit longer first she flounced. I called her an hour later just for her to shout at me about how she felt pushed out by ex.
Ds had reflux and before we changed his milk would not sleep and scream for hours. After around 48 hours of nobody getting any sleep I’d finally got him down for an afternoon nap. She called informing me she was on the way with my dad. I begrudgingly agreed but asked her not to pick him up as he needed sleep. She started pouting and disappointedly complaining until I gave in.
Invited various family members over to my house to meet the baby when I wasn’t up to visitors.
And the one that still makes me furious when I think back to it… first proper outing with ds in the pram at a few days old. We got out of the car and immediately she takes the pram off me shouting ‘my pram’ and starts pushing it. I let her do it because I didn’t have the energy for the hassle and think I’ll have a go later. She pushes the pram the entire time. At the last shop I’m paying at the till and as we leave to go back to the car I take the pram. We’ve barely made it outside and yet again she takes it off me shouting ‘my pram’. This time I say I’d like a go now and she flies off the handle, marches ahead of me all while screaming behind at me that ‘she wants the best bits’ and that she ‘won’t be left with just the shit’.

Dc2; The newborn period was a bit more of a blur. The two instances that stand out are her bringing ds1 to visit the baby in hospital. He has ASD and Global developmental delay so was non verbal at the time and needed constant supervision. She got so sidetracked by the baby that she repeatedly ignored him to fuss the baby. This resulted in me panicking as he tried to get in the discarded medical sharps bin. I couldn’t move to get him as I had a catheter.
She put a lot of pressure on me for her to take baby dd for the day at around two weeks old. I’d kept brushing it off hoping she’d get the hint that I wasn’t ready but she’d paint it as me being able to give my undivided attention to ds. Making me feel awful for wanting to refuse. I spent the entire day anxious and miserable.

Dc3; I had needed a large piece of furniture assembled for a while and my dad had agreed to do it. It ended up being that the day he scheduled happened to be the day after she was born. What usually would happen is my mum would drop my dad over and pick him up when he was done as he can be quite slow (likes to make sure a job is done properly). Not this time! She spent nine hours planted on the sofa, only leaving to collect her friend so the friend could also see the baby. She held the baby the entire time, if I so much as tried to have a turn holding her she’d get twitchy and take her back. Dd was very mucus-y after birth and this would come up in feeds. She fed her and this happened. Next feed she originally said she wouldn’t do it as she was nervous only to say ‘actually I want to do it, give her to me’ about five seconds after the bottle hit her mouth. When she eventually left she placed dd in her basket and as she was leaving I went to pick her up. She turned to me and had the nerve to say ‘don’t, she’ll be spoilt and expect it all the time’. So it was ok for her to hold my day old baby all day but heaven forbid I actually want to give her a cuddle! Then I’m spoiling her! I actually took up breastfeeding at that moment because there was a family event a few days later I had to attend and I couldn’t tolerate the thought of my mum holding her the entire time again.

So on to now. Pregnant with dc4. This baby has a different father to my first three. My ex can be quite a meek man. If he does react it will be snide so it often went over my mother’s head. Dp is far more forthright and if he feels someone is pushing his boundaries will be upfront about it. This will not go down well with my mum. He’s already pushing for us to have the first week just ourselves as he/we feel the children will need time to adjust. I brought this up to my mum and she shouted that she ‘just won’t bother then’. My sister has also mentioned people having time just themselves after birth to her in the past and she replied that she wouldn’t listen and would turn up regardless of what we said. My sister also fell out with her on several occasions leading up to the birth of her child and after.

I’m so anxious about this. I don’t want another recently postpartum period of her taking over/being demanding. I don’t know how to get her to understand how she acts has consequences on my mental health. I don’t want to fall out with her, it’s hell but if she goes about this birth the way she has with the previous childrens it will happen regardless because dp wont put up with it!

OP posts:
thepariscrimefiles · 02/01/2026 19:00

Your mum is a selfish, self-centred bully. Your mum has no rights to your children and you can stop her having your kids every Saturday due to her appalling behaviour.

Any mother that would consider making a malicious report to Social Services about her own daughter doesn't deserve any sort of relationship with you and your children. Stick to your guns. Your ex-husband feels the same about your mum so he won't be siding with her.

BundleBoogie · 02/01/2026 19:03

CountingDownToAutumn · 02/01/2026 17:50

She’s now alluding to reporting me to social services. For what I don’t know. I haven’t done anything wrong!

She knows it’s something that would worry me though because they did call me in regards to my abusive ex. The case was closed pretty much immediately. I was signed up to a course on how to recognise abusive relationships which I completed, I complied with all police involvement, moved home so he didn’t have my address and have had no contact with him since. She likes to judge me on this and use it as a stick to beat me.

Have you looked at what you learnt on your course and examined your mums behaviour in relation to that? She accused DP of being controlling but the coercive control is coming from her.

Her behaviour is totally unacceptable causing you stress and anxiety during your pregnancy which is unhealthy for you and the baby. She appears to disregard your health and wishes at all points. If I were you I would feel justified in withdrawing contact due to your health which is clearly suffering. Politely tell her you are unwell and she is not to visit until further notice. You owe this to yourself and your family.

As a precaution you might want to write an account of her behaviour and possibly speak to a GP to have it put on official record regarding her impact on your mental health in case she calls Social Services.

takealettermsjones · 02/01/2026 19:19

Your mum is a batshit, self centred, abusive, controlling, manipulative, bullying nightmare and you need to cut her the hell off right now. Please demonstrate to your children how we deal with people who treat us like utter shit.

Sorry to be so blunt but I feel raging on your behalf!

Netcurtainnelly · 02/01/2026 19:30

Cut her off OP. She's not bringing anything to the party at all.

You wouldnt take it from a friend so dont take it from your mother.

You might regret it if you dont.

RandomMess · 02/01/2026 19:30

@AttilaTheMeerkat please come with your straight talking sense about the op abusive mother.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/01/2026 19:42

OP

The best thing you can do for your children is to keep both you and they away from your disordered of thinking mother and her secondary abuser and enabler in the shape of your dad. He cannot be relied upon either and will continue to throw you under the bus out of self preservation and want of a quiet life. He is truly a weak man.

You cannot apply the normal rules of familial interactions to your parents because they are dysfunctional and not emotionally healthy. It will do you and your dc no favours at all to be around her and now she’s trying to maliciously report you to Social Services. If Social Services do contact you cooperate fully.

You surely would not tolerate this from a friend so do not tolerate this from your parents. It is not your fault they are like this and you did not make them that way. Do read and consider posting on the current Well we took you to Stately Homes thread in the Relationships forum of MN.

Blueberryme · 02/01/2026 19:51

Your DM behaviour is horrendous and her threats to report you to SS with unfounded, malicious intent is despicable.

You need to take action to protect your DC and your own MH. Cut this woman out of your life - what positives does she bring to it? She is abusive, nasty, and manipulating.

Contact your midwife and GP and explain the situation so that it is on record should she go ahead with her threat to report to SS.

Don’t tell her, your DF or DSis, when you go into labour/or planned CS date so that she can’t turn up at the hospital.

Stop the Saturday contact - your DC, your choice what they do on weekends and who they spend it with.

Don’t allow her into your house unless your DP is there to support you. Get a Ring doorbell.

Ultimately, you need to take action to stop her affecting your life. She is likely so entrenched in her behaviour and beliefs that your only choice is to go NC.

CountingDownToAutumn · 02/01/2026 20:17

I have no plans to speak to her again. I’ve previously gone through periods of not speaking to her, the longest being six months.

My dad really hurt me today. I explained that dp feels very uncomfortable with my mother being around the baby when it’s born because if she can spread around that he’s controlling, what could she potentially say to his child growing up? My dad said that he was being ridiculous and that his family probably has issues as well. The thing is they don’t. He has a wonderfully supportive family. There all very close and would never dream of saying anything behind your back that they wouldn’t say to your face. I explained this and he said well don’t you think you have a supportive family. I answered honestly and said well no, not really. My parents tried to paint the picture that everything was rosy but my childhood contains lots of memories of my dad punching walls, screaming matches, throwing things and my mum bundling us in the car to sit in a park for hours while she cried refusing to go home. Then my dad mellowed and my mum became financially abusive towards my dad. When I said this he brought up my past abusive relationship and said I was going to run away with him. I said no I wasn’t and he said ‘well I think you were’. The event in question was the day I was waiting for the police to arrive after he attacked me and fled. He knows this. I don’t think I can bring myself to speak to him again after saying that.

My current plan is to say nothing. I will not be messaging, I will not be engaging. If my mum does report me I will comply completely as I did after the abusive relationship.

OP posts:
Alycie · 02/01/2026 20:57

I’m so sorry you are going through this. I’m living through a MIL-from-hell situation at 29w pregnant and I think your situation is even worse.

Take care of yourself and I hope you find peace soon with the decision to cut contact. It was clearly the only option, sad as it is for a daughter to be forced to put these barriers up. Your dad has chosen a side too, from the looks of it, so no regrets there. Virtual hugs to you and focus on enjoying the arrival of the new baby 💐

Farkinhell · 02/01/2026 21:05

Cut her off entirely. Your dad too if needs be.
I wouldn't stand for this behaviour, current or past.
Nobody needs this sort of person in their life... blood or not.

Zanatdy · 02/01/2026 21:15

Let her flounce. You’ve let her spoil it for you already. Fact is your new DP will not tolerate it anyway, so maybe a quick 1hr max visit when you’re home from hospital then impose a no visitor period. If she asks why, tell her.

CountingDownToAutumn · 03/01/2026 12:55

After sleeping on it I have decided that I will go through with not withholding contact with the children. My mother has threatened me with grandparents rights in the past and while I’m pretty confident it wouldn’t go anywhere, I’d rather not be dragged into that. Although I’m not sure where she’d get the few grand needed to finance it.

So I will allow her to pick them up from school once a fortnight and have them for dinner. It can’t be more than that because me and my ex have a 2-2-3 arrangement and I’m not willing to give up one of my afternoons on the week I only have them two days. I already know this won’t be enough for her but my understanding is she can’t try for grandparents rights if she’s being offered contact? When it comes to the new baby she will not be allowed access at all. Again, my understanding is grandparents rights won’t be considered with a child you have had no prior relationship with?

I will be monitoring any contact she has with my children very carefully and if I feel anything is amiss it will be pulled. Although I can’t see me hearing off her for a while yet. She tends to flounce for a good few weeks first. It’s just concerning what she’s up to when she’s quiet.

OP posts:
RandomMess · 03/01/2026 13:14

I think you are underestimating the damage she will be doing when she has any contact with your DC.

If you insist on still letting her see them then once a month is more than enough.

Are you able to discuss potential future contact with your ex and find out if he will even agree to it? Seems he isn’t keen on your mothers involvement with his DC.

CountingDownToAutumn · 03/01/2026 13:42

My ex won’t facilitate any contact during his time with the children but won’t prevent them from seeing her in my time. His opinion though is that she’s manipulative and thinks the best thing I could do is cut her out of everyone’s lives.

If I could cut her out and know there would be no ramifications I’d do it in a heartbeat. I don’t want to spend my life on guard of what she will try next either though. Anything I do for now will only be a temporary situation anyway because as soon as the baby is born she’s going to be desperate to be involved. I don’t know what happens then.

OP posts:
ButTheBeesMargaret · 03/01/2026 13:42

RandomMess · 03/01/2026 13:14

I think you are underestimating the damage she will be doing when she has any contact with your DC.

If you insist on still letting her see them then once a month is more than enough.

Are you able to discuss potential future contact with your ex and find out if he will even agree to it? Seems he isn’t keen on your mothers involvement with his DC.

I agree with this. She will switch her controlling behaviour to your children, who are already extremely vulnerable. If she wants to assert grandparents rights (I’m not sure that’s a thing in the UK but wiser minds will be able to confirm that) then let her go to court.

You were brought up in a violent, controlling household and have done remarkably well to build a lovely life for yourself and your children. Don’t let your bully of a mother and her flying monkeys take that away from you.

RandomMess · 03/01/2026 13:59

Listen to your ex!!

BunsBoots · 03/01/2026 14:17

She won’t be given any grandparents rights. She is not the main carer for your DC.

Put your DC and yourself. Do not give her any access. She is evil and not fit to see her DGC unsupervised.

Let her report you to SS, you have nothing to hide and her behaviour will be marked down as malicious.

Tekknonan · 03/01/2026 14:18

I've known people like this. Everyone tiptoes around them to keep the peace, which just reinforces their behaviour. It's hard to stand up to them when you've got into this pattern - but I think you must, for the sake of your family.

It's hard, I know. But she's bullied you through three newborn experiences which are vital to your baby as well as to you. Even if you have to go NC for a while, don't let her do it again.

Try the broken record technique. Just keep saying 'No.' 'Yes, I understand xxx, but the answer is 'no.'' 'You may feel xxx, but the answer is 'no.'' 'X may have done it, but the answer is 'no.''

Let her flounce out. Her loss, not yours. I get than she is your mum, but she's like a spoiled child. She needs to understand that when you say, No, you mean, No.

It's good you have your DH's backing.

NarwhalBuddy · 03/01/2026 14:33

What exactly does she think “grandparents rights” are?

Grandparents rights isn’t really a thing in the UK. so don’t let her use that as a stick to beat you with, OP

CountingDownToAutumn · 03/01/2026 14:41

From what I can gather she thinks that she has rights to see the children and that the court would grant them to her based on her being a grandparent that has a prior relationship with the children. What she doesn’t seem to grasp is that she very very very rarely has unsupervised contact. On the odd occasion she has it’s with one of them at a time because she can’t cope with all three of them. My middle child is severely disabled (in a special needs school, cannot communicate effectively and still in nappies at almost eight). She has lost her on holiday when I asked her to mind her the 30 seconds it took me to walk across the pool to get a float. She currently sees them around once a week always with me present.

I’m not sure whether she would get some kind of access based on that. What I am pretty sure of is that it won’t be anywhere near the amount she thinks she’d get. She would be expecting all Saturdays when they are in my care and possibly a weeknight for dinner.

OP posts:
NarwhalBuddy · 03/01/2026 14:43

Grandparents have no right of access to grandchildren in the uk. It’s not a thing. She could try and fight you in court, but I think you very much have proof that she’s…..not stable

user1492809438 · 03/01/2026 14:47

Sorry but you'll have to pull on your big girl pants and face the hell. You are an adult woman with [soon] 4 children.

RandomMess · 03/01/2026 15:06

She isn’t going to get court ordered contact.

Let her waste her time and money to achieve nothing.

Bonbon21 · 03/01/2026 15:15

Grandparents do not have any rights in the uk. She is talking through her arse.
You need to tell your health visitor/ gp about her behaviour and get on record the effect it is having on you, your pregnancy and your children AND your relationship with your partner AND you successful co-parenting relationship with your ex!
Let your partner stand between you and your toxic mother meantime and let her do her worst. Her past and present behaviour cannot have gone unnoticed by others, so she can rant all she likes.
Please dont let her have access to your kids, she will absolutely screw with their heads. You know she has done a number on you already, so protect them.
Tiger Mother mode from here on in.
Look after yourself and enjoy your new baby when it arrives.x

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 03/01/2026 15:24

Sadly their behaviour is why you were vulnerable to the abusive ex.

You have done really well to establish positive relationships with your ex and your current partner.

Her level of involvement is not going to lead to court giving her access to your DC. That only happens when a child has lived with their grandparent, and it only happens for the benefit of the DC.

I would warn school that she is about to kick off and may try and collect them on the wrong day.