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Anyone seen woman arrested for saying f****t in a private text message?

410 replies

Whywhywhyyyy · 09/12/2025 11:12

This is completely bizarre. The news is thin on the ground so to see it I would have to link the mail or other obscure sites; but they are talking about this on Sky News abroad so assume it’s legit.

Apparently woman was arrested by 10 officers and dragged naked from a bath tub because she called a person who hospitalised her from assault a faggot in a message ranting to a supposed friend who reported her for using that word.

What is going on in this country?!

Yes sure that’s unpleasant. But is that really illegal? And if she has been hospitalised by this person then do I really care if someone uses bad words - even if they are hateful.

YABU - that’s a perfectly appropriate use of the law
YANBU - WTF is going on in this country!

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DancingNotDrowning · 09/12/2025 13:32

Boomer55 · 09/12/2025 13:25

Perhaps it’s best that she doesn’t abuse people. Sorted.✔️

You’re not the same person who was chastising posters for calling rapists scum this week are you?

calling someone names behind their back (even if those names are appalling) is not “abuse” and it definitely should not be a criminal offence. It’s absurd that this is where we at at.

StormyPotatoes · 09/12/2025 13:33

As for whether the number of officers being believable - wasn’t there 7 for the ‘Lesbian Nana’ incident to a 16-year old autistic girl?

WonderfulSmith · 09/12/2025 13:33

StormyPotatoes · 09/12/2025 13:29

You should see how Leamington Nub has reported it. The 17 year olds - two teenage boys. The 15 year old girl - a distressed young woman.

Peak gaslighting.

leamington.nub.news/news/local-news/two-teenagers-charged-with-rape-after-leamington-incident-259936

No. That was when they were charged. As they are under 18 they can’t be named or other information given out about them. It’s not gaslighting it would be the same whoever they were.

WalkDontWalk · 09/12/2025 13:35

Whywhywhyyyy · 09/12/2025 11:29

Yeah I agree the coverage is poor. I am going to watch Piers Morgan and report back.

That'll help.

StormyPotatoes · 09/12/2025 13:35

WonderfulSmith · 09/12/2025 13:33

No. That was when they were charged. As they are under 18 they can’t be named or other information given out about them. It’s not gaslighting it would be the same whoever they were.

No, you are missing the point. The boys are referred to as boys. Fine. The girl, who is younger, is referred to as a woman.

That IS gaslighting. She is a child.

Rippedadventwindow · 09/12/2025 13:36

ThereAreOnlyShadesOfGrey · 09/12/2025 13:17

I’m more shocked that people seem to believe it actually happened like that.

You don’t belong she was arrested because she said a slur in a private text message?

rwalker · 09/12/2025 13:36

Dollymylove · 09/12/2025 13:27

If this woman was deemed to be "dangerous" the officers would be armed (Im.assumeing they weren't)
There wasnt that many officers searching house for a potentially armed suspect on 24 hours in police custody last night !!
Clearly someone saying an offensive word is far more of a risk!!

Or clearly you don’t (like the rest of us) know the full story to why it was deemed necessary to send 11
staffing levels in the police are horrendous so to take 11 officers to one job there is clearly a reason for it but it’s not been divulged

Acafan · 09/12/2025 13:38

briq · 09/12/2025 13:02

It's not a word I would ever use, but honestly, I think people in a supposedly free country should be able to say whatever they like in a text message (especially if it's a private conversation that doesn't involve the person being 'described') without fear of prosecution by the state. A system of continued bullying or abuse directed at someone would be different, but it doesn't sound like this was anything like that.

Edit to add:

It's particularly egregious that this goes punished when worse crimes receive a slap on the wrist. But we're supposed to be shocked and outraged by someone using a slur in a text?

And yes, the way they went about arresting her seems over the top for any but the most violent offender. Was she really such a threat that they needed to go into her bathroom while she was bathing? Could it not have waited a few minutes?

Edited

So someone should be able to send me messages calling my friends or neighbours racial slurs and I should just be ok with that? Because it isn't directed at me?

We're not supposed to be "shocked and outraged " at what she did. It was a crime, she pled guilty, she received a punishment. Just like speeding, or shoplifting, or graffiti - all of which are crimes and probably should be so society can function, but which I don't need to be outraged by.

I'd like some corroboration on 11 officers dragging her from the bath because I'm surprised there were 11 officers on duty today day, looking at police numbers.

MrsBelindaMay · 09/12/2025 13:40

Are there safe insults which we can use when ranting in private correspondence? I am not being sarcastic, I am gobsmacked. Can we refer to someone as an idiot or could it be misconstrued as a neurodiversity slur (as cognitive function impairment is a known symptom of some conditions)? Can we call someone a cow or an asshole, or is it an attack on animal welfare? Again, I am being dead serious.

SapphireSeptember · 09/12/2025 13:41

Who's going to arrest Sainsbury's then? When did that word become offensive in the UK?

WonderfulSmith · 09/12/2025 13:44

StormyPotatoes · 09/12/2025 13:35

No, you are missing the point. The boys are referred to as boys. Fine. The girl, who is younger, is referred to as a woman.

That IS gaslighting. She is a child.

No. The ‘distressed young woman’ line was from the police. The force asked for anyone who spoke to a "distressed young woman" on Saturday, 10 May, to come forward..
That is a quote from the police, not what the paper used. I suspect they used the term ‘young woman’ because if they said girl people will assume they are talking about a young child rather than a teen. Still not ‘gaslighting’.

Acafan · 09/12/2025 13:45

StormyPotatoes · 09/12/2025 13:35

No, you are missing the point. The boys are referred to as boys. Fine. The girl, who is younger, is referred to as a woman.

That IS gaslighting. She is a child.

"distressed young woman" is a quotation from the police, who were asking to speak to people who may have seen a "distressed young woman". The police clearly haven't used child because that makes people think of an eight year old and not a fifteen year old - though I agree, teenager might have been more appropriate. But the police may be trying to mitigate against the adultification of victims and address the widest contingent - if you say you're looking for a teenager and a witness thinks the person they saw was an adult, you may lose that witness. "Young woman" is helpfully vague.

Spookyspaghetti · 09/12/2025 13:47

Shedmistress · 09/12/2025 11:40

A woman in posession of a mouth and using words in the dictionary IS the dangerous weapon...is it not why the Taliban have stopped girls from attending school? Don't want them females getting ideas above their station and using words they don't like.

I don’t think women should be proud of using discriminatory language and it’s ironic you mention women’s rights but believe we should live in a world where men/women should be free to be as sexist and derogatory as they like in the name of tin foil hat free speech.

randomchap · 09/12/2025 13:49

MrsBelindaMay · 09/12/2025 13:40

Are there safe insults which we can use when ranting in private correspondence? I am not being sarcastic, I am gobsmacked. Can we refer to someone as an idiot or could it be misconstrued as a neurodiversity slur (as cognitive function impairment is a known symptom of some conditions)? Can we call someone a cow or an asshole, or is it an attack on animal welfare? Again, I am being dead serious.

No your not. This is not a serious post.

But just in case you're serious. She wasn't arrested for the insult, that homophobic word was mentioned as an aggravating factor in the malicious communication. It wasn't the reason she was arrested, charged, or plead guilty.

Distorting facts, speculation, and outright bullshit do not help

randomchap · 09/12/2025 13:50

SapphireSeptember · 09/12/2025 13:41

Who's going to arrest Sainsbury's then? When did that word become offensive in the UK?

Context is everything. As you well know.

Bromptotoo · 09/12/2025 13:51

A quick google produces a result that says she was charged with an aggravated malicious communication offence and found guilty.

westgatesentinel.com/international/11-uk-cops-storm-home-drag-naked-woman-from-bath-her-crime-one-text-calling-her-attacker-a-slur

Number of officers seems manifestly excessive but we don't know the whole story.

SapphOhNo · 09/12/2025 13:51

SapphireSeptember · 09/12/2025 13:41

Who's going to arrest Sainsbury's then? When did that word become offensive in the UK?

If you don't understand that when someone calls a man a 'f--t' they are not referring to spiced meatballs.

If you can't understand that, then I hope you have a carer at home.

Anyahyacinth · 09/12/2025 13:51

Whywhywhyyyy · 09/12/2025 11:18

I am just going on the reports here and taking them at face value. If anyone wants to present any evidence to the contrary then would love to see it because otherwise yes I am left thinking what the hell is going on!

But why should you be involved in the details of a police investigation - especially if this just happened? Using that word to describe someone is unacceptable..it’s literally hateful

WhodunitAgatha · 09/12/2025 13:52

MorrisZapp · 09/12/2025 11:19

I can only see this story on a Piers Morgan chat show. Have any news outlets covered it at all? Seems like large parts missing.

You think MSM will cover this type of story?

nomas · 09/12/2025 13:56

I'm confused by the IBT article. It says:

The case began when Kinney sent private text messages and photos of her injuries to a woman she blamed for an earlier attack by a male mutual acquaintance.

Is it saying she was blaming the woman?

Cherricherri · 09/12/2025 13:59

Muffsies · 09/12/2025 11:23

If someone assaulted me I would not be looking to inflame the situation with them. If they are derranged or unhinged how did she think that was going to turn out? Getting in trouble with the police is probably the least bad outcome. She sounds like an idiot that needs to be told to stand the hell down.

I haven’t bothered to read the whole thread or to find out if there’s more to the situation but taking everything at face value what a victim blamy comment. Let’s just let people go around assaulting people and anyone who does or says anything back is an idiot 🙄

Ghrun · 09/12/2025 13:59

Acafan · 09/12/2025 13:38

So someone should be able to send me messages calling my friends or neighbours racial slurs and I should just be ok with that? Because it isn't directed at me?

We're not supposed to be "shocked and outraged " at what she did. It was a crime, she pled guilty, she received a punishment. Just like speeding, or shoplifting, or graffiti - all of which are crimes and probably should be so society can function, but which I don't need to be outraged by.

I'd like some corroboration on 11 officers dragging her from the bath because I'm surprised there were 11 officers on duty today day, looking at police numbers.

You don't have to be ok with it, but it doesn't follow that it should be a crime. Do you think all racism should be a criminal offence?

Newbutoldfather · 09/12/2025 14:00

This is quite old news and only really reported in the tabloids.

It sounds like she was quite abusive to her friend over text.

But, I do agree that these ‘crimes’ are overly focused on relative to rape, burglary etc. I am guessing because they are easy to prove.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 09/12/2025 14:00

Cherricherri · 09/12/2025 13:59

I haven’t bothered to read the whole thread or to find out if there’s more to the situation but taking everything at face value what a victim blamy comment. Let’s just let people go around assaulting people and anyone who does or says anything back is an idiot 🙄

“She was asking for it”

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