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Council tax is a c**t

618 replies

Upholstery · 08/12/2025 21:13

What kind of a tax doesn't take account of how much money you have? It's all just a bloody con.

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InlandTaipan · 09/12/2025 06:26

DoBeGoodDontBeBad · 09/12/2025 00:24

I barely put anything in my bin or recycling. They only need emptying every 6 weeks but they come every week even though there's nothing in them half the time.

I think we should pay per collection. If you create a load of waste - pay for it.

Nice idea but if you do that people will just fly tip their waste to avoid paying

MikeRafone · 09/12/2025 06:31

Of course it is

used to be land tax ( not really swapped but abolished in 1963) and was paid by those land owners who have plenty of land, then they managed to get it phased out and domestic rates continued to property tax - now they are laughing, oh how they laugh at being able to keep their millions. Whilst all those with so much less cough up

InlandTaipan · 09/12/2025 06:32

Balab · 09/12/2025 01:08

It’s just theft. I pay £3600 band G. I get bin pickups once every 3 weeks. Fuck all else.

Is it now? No police or fire service round your way then? No streetlighting or surfaced roads? None of the children in your town get an education and the elderly left to die on the street?

MikeRafone · 09/12/2025 06:36

Better policy on TikTok shares why council tax is such an evil tax

it’s a woman with a campaign to get council tax abolished

NuNameNuMe · 09/12/2025 06:40

olderandnonthewiser · 08/12/2025 22:27

I’d prefer the poll tax. It’s a service. We should all pay the same for what we get.
I pay more than my neighbour who has 4 kids at home. I pay less than another who has a slightly smaller house (in the same street). All our services are identical.

So you'd be happy paying the same as someone earning 5x or 500x more than you? The poll tax was a flat tax that took not account of income, hence the riots.

Tontostitis · 09/12/2025 06:41

Upholstery · 08/12/2025 21:13

What kind of a tax doesn't take account of how much money you have? It's all just a bloody con.

If course it takes account of how much money you have. The home you live in is capital if you own it or a choice based on your income if you rent it. If you buy or rent a home the council tax us a cost you consider exactly the same as heating water electricity.

RosesAndHellebores · 09/12/2025 06:43

We pay just shy of £5k. What irks me more is the fact that I have to pay another £100ish for the brown bin!

It's a bastard isn't it @Upholstery, just an additional charge on top of VAT, income tax, NI and CGT.

NuNameNuMe · 09/12/2025 06:44

OonaStubbs · 09/12/2025 04:40

Councils are useless, every interaction I have ever had with them has been terrible. Their staff are paid too much and are always off sick with full pay. Most of them would not last two minutes in the private sector where businesses have to actually make money.

Why not join them then if it's such a cushy job?

justwaitingformyturn · 09/12/2025 06:47

Council tax is far too much money, why am I having to pay £200 after I have already paid my taxes and NI?

Rhayader · 09/12/2025 06:51

It made sense when it actually paid for services. Nowadays most of council tax goes on social care, and it doesn’t make sense for it to be locally funded. We should move to a fairer land value tax paid by the owner to central gov and redistributed out to LAs.

Earlybirdvsnightowl · 09/12/2025 06:55

Ours is quite high, I dont really understand it though.

I thought bands were set but everyone pays a different amount even in bands. So I don't get it how it's worked out.

I'm guessing its bands for areas then bedroom size price goes up or down in the band? (Only because when I set it up after moving they said bands, and went oh x beds so £)

I live rural so appreciate the bin service 😂 they are good here. We don't seem to get any other service here (no buses, no potholes fixed, no lamplight so i pop out with a torch and have gone flying into a ditch, i appreciate the hazard of a massive bin lorry going down a one lane 5 mile pot hole track 😂)

Beentheretoolong · 09/12/2025 06:57

grlwhowrites · 08/12/2025 23:26

I LOATHE council tax. We’ve moved house recently and gone from Band A to Band C and our bins are only taken alternate weeks?! We got recycling and waste taken every week in Band A but now in Band C, it alternates. We’ve been living with boxes in the hallway for weeks bc it takes so long to break them down and wait for our “turn” at recycling. Paying much more for less services. It’s a joke.

It needs completely rethinking. They need to manage our taxes better and take it out of that, we pay enough imho. I have a “decent” job and can barely afford to do anything.

If we didn’t have to pay council tax every month, we’d be able to afford to put the heating on without panicking and stressing about the bill. We’d be able to stock the fridge and freezer with more.

It just continues to go up, too. I’m really worried where it’s going to end up. It’s already close to £200 a month in Band C - I don’t know how they expect people to cope. DP and I both work full time and every month is a battlefield to get by.

Is your almost £200 a month over 10 or 12 months? We pay £190 a month over 10 months in a band A property.

PrincessScarlett · 09/12/2025 06:58

We've tried to appeal our council tax band twice over the years to no avail. We are in band G which you would think is a mega mansion but are a modest 4 bed house. All the houses in my road are band G due to one house 2 doors away putting a massive extension on.

Plus our bin collections are being reduced from April.

Genevieva · 09/12/2025 07:00

It’s meant to be a few for local services like bin collections. Unfortunately most of it is mismanaged or goes on paying pensions. It’s a mess.

Glowingup · 09/12/2025 07:01

TheNightingalesStarling · 08/12/2025 22:47

Which is why no one is saying anything as one of the Band A properties is a couple in their 80s.

The Cs are probably right (they are newer) the As should probably be Bs.

But there’s no incentive for any of you to “say anything” because the only thing that will happen is that some will be moved up. I doubt very much anyone will be moved down. So it’s not like people are keeping quiet out of the goodness of their own hearts.

Elsvieta · 09/12/2025 07:01

And why don't single people get 50% off instead of 25?

It should be a percentage of income for every adult, not effectively taxing a house regardless of whether it's got five working adults in it or one low-income pensioner.

Statsquestion1 · 09/12/2025 07:02

OopOop · 08/12/2025 22:33

So you don’t have your bins collected?

In Ireland, we don’t have council tax. We have local property tax which is paid once a year by the homeowner. This is based on the value of your house for example my house is in the band value of 437,501 – 525,000 so I pay 495 per year and 15% extra towards my council. I pay it as I’m the homeowner, if I rented I wouldn’t pay this however as a renter you do pay for your own bin collections. I also pay this separately as a homeowner of 24 a month.
I feel like to council tax that’s paid in the UK. It’s an awful lot of money.

MarkerBonVine · 09/12/2025 07:05

It is government taxing local areas for local needs.

For everyone up in arms that you bought a property and then the banding went up you should be looking at your solicitor. All properties that have undergone significant works such as extensions are marked as new banding pending on the VOA website. We were told that a house we were buying over 20 years ago had this marker.

Back in rates days, pre community charge or Poll tax an owner was the one who paid for a increase in rates charges for any home improvements. It meant landlords were unwilling to invest money into a property they did not live in as they personally wouldn't benefit. This is why it was moved to rebanding on the sale of the house.

Every year you will get a leaflet telling you where your money is being spent. Central government funding keeps getting cut so your local area suffers more as the councils try to work out how they will fund all the services they provide. Why do you think bin collections have gone down to fortnightly collections?

Having worked in Council Tax I think the bottom end needs a reband and the top end absolutely needs a rebanding. Someone in a 6 bed can be paying the same as someone in a 12 bed house. @Elsvieta Council Tax is classed as a hereditament comprised of 50% property and 50% two adults living there. Previously if one person was living there it was a simple 25% discount on the adult part. Second homes were charged at 50% to reflect no adults living there and being charged elsewhere. Places with large tourism then had properties sitting empty and not getting money which would have paid for services hence the change to originally up to 90% which meant owners lied, said there were single adult tenants reducing the 90% down to 75%. I personally think second homes should be charged at 100%.

@Earlybirdvsnightowl "I thought bands were set but everyone pays a different amount even in bands. So I don't get it how it's worked out."

Every property in that council's area will all pay the same amount unless a person or property exemption is applied (students, carers, the property being occupied by a disabled person in a wheelchair where adaptions have been made) however, what you probably mean is why someone living in Liverpool band D pays a different amount to someone living in Milton Keynes band D. It is dependent on what your local area needs funding for.

Where I lived the banding was relatively easy to guess because a new build 3 bed detached was a D band. Every other band is a percentage worked off that, so E band (4 bed detached) is so much percentage higher than the D band, a C band (3 bed semi detached) is so much percentage lower than the D band. An A band was a bedsit or studio, B band a 1 bed house or 2 bed flat as a rule of thumb. An F band was an "executive" 4 bed ie 2 en-suites or a 5 bed detached house.

Basically council tax is a government tax collected locally. Their powers are huge, they can take money directly from your salary, send bailiffs to lift your car off your drive. My advice is always prioritise that bill. If you cannot pay the full amount that month pay everything you can, contact them, please. If you get someone like me and you should, we will do anything we can to help you. Our job is to collect that money in. Sadly once it starts getting to reminders/final notices it is out of our hands due to central government legislation which covers this. Contact them early. Try to pay that year in that year because the next year's bill is coming and it will be higher. And as staff, we all pay council tax too so we understand.

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 09/12/2025 07:05

Flats are an issue. DS has been looking, and they are in bands far above their value in comparison with houses. The ones he’s been looking at are all similar bands to our (very big) house.

We need bin collections to reduce, because we need to produce less waste. As PPs say though, bins are peanuts in comparison with social care. And those needing social care need us all to pay for it.

Frynye · 09/12/2025 07:08

I moved the uk in 2001 and my friend explained my council tax to me. Then went on a rant about how bad poll tax was. I thought it sounded fairer as you paid based on amount of adults in the house (if I have understood it). Surely that’s fairer than a flat fee. Happy to be corrected though as it was before my time in the uk

Nottodaythankyou123 · 09/12/2025 07:10

GrooveArmada · 08/12/2025 22:17

Agree with the sentiment in your title, although the c bomb probably wasn't necessary.

Disagree with your reasoning. You're confusing things here, income tax, CGT, inheritance tax etc are taxes relevant to the person's wealth.

Council tax isn't.

If you have a household with 6 people in it, you use more services provided by the LAs. That's a fact of life. You should pay more council tax, regardless of your wealth or property value. Maybe then there would be less single mothers claiming lifestyle benefits whilst uninterested in their six kids and satellite 'partners'.

The problem is really in the disparity - when I rented a 3 bed flat in London, I paid around £300 a year less than I would’ve paid the same year for my tiny 3 bed house I now live in. It accommodates the same number of people - in fact there were more of us in the flat, and yet because of where it was a property worth approx 4x more paid £hundreds less.

ProudCat · 09/12/2025 07:12

The social contract (17th Century) means that we should each contribute what we can for the overall good. The original idea (Locke, no not that guy from Lost) was that wealth comes from mixing our labour (work) with resources to actually produce something. At no point was an increase in property values (passive earning) meant to give a person more wealth power. We understand this in simple terms as 'the work ethic'.

Obviously, the latter part of the 20th Century moved us away from this, and now we have the idea that investment = wealth power.

Concretely, in terms of Council Tax, and pretty much any other tax, this means we've reverted to the feudal system. The 'peasants' are subsidising everyone else. Given the state of our society, it would not appear to be for the overall good.

The simple solution would be to tax passive earnings. Carry out a survey every 5 years and tax increases in property value. We used to call this 'the rates'. Worked for 300 years since Tudor times.

BadgernTheGarden · 09/12/2025 07:12

ThisLittlePony · 08/12/2025 22:30

How would those that don’t work and have an income pay for these things?

Out of their benefits....

coolcahuna · 09/12/2025 07:13

Dabralor · 08/12/2025 22:00

we bought a house that the previous owners had done a loft conversion on. The moment the sale completed, boom! Straight into band fucking G. Other people have done loads of work on our street, but are still in E or F because they haven’t moved. I hate it.

Ah yes similarish thing happened to me..next door neighbour was paying more than me so they reported it and I got moved up..Thanks for that. No benefit to them, just extra cost to me..forever!

tamade · 09/12/2025 07:14

MidnightPatrol · 08/12/2025 22:11

Still using local services though aren’t you

To some degree no doubt. But I think the point is that the house you are in isn't necessarily one you could afford to buy or indicative of one's wealth

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