To think social housing should be means-tested annually like benefits?

[EqualLedgerJay]

Situations change, why should lifetime tenancies exist if income rises? AIBU to think fairness cuts both ways?

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.

If people have dramatically improved their income ( I’m not talking about low wage jobs here) over a stable amount of time then there’s nothing wrong with them paying a higher rent ( without having to move out of the social housing) in accordance with their new income either though is there?

Don't be so stupid, you only have to read my post to know im not asking that 🙄

Agreed.

As long as its not much of a jump.

Housing should be affordable for all. And the ridiculous prices charged to private renters shouldnt have an impact on these rises.

The opposite should occur.

The rise should be out of reasonableness, not bitterness of those being charged extortionate prices privately.

Fight the right cause.

Up, not down.

Most older housing stock will have been paid for many times over. The rent covers maintainance and HA staffing. Council housing wasn't meant for those at the very bottom, it was meant for working families in jobs we consider essential. The kind of jobs that people had to keep working in during covid lockdown. It was to provide affordable housing for those families and build communities. Even now some properties will need affordability checks - ie not for those who aren't working and only getting UC. Property allocation is based on need and the criteria of the housing assoication that defines this.

As a nursery worker - a key worker - I wouldn't be able to afford anything except social housing rents without substantial help, yet I work full time and just as hard as anyone who has the luxury of better renumeration for their time and work.

The same could be said for interest rates for mortgages.

Yes, it could!!

We're on the same page!

How can we get interest rates under control?

Surely.that should be the question rather than looking to penalise those on low wages?

Agree OP. Social housing should be temporary and reviewed each year.

What’s wrong with bashing benefits?

The vast majority of people paying for them want reform of the welfare system. But I guess that you think they should just shut up and keep paying your bills.

Please read previous posts and d address rather than just spout clichés. Its boring and irrelevant.

Social housing and benefits are separate things.

Social housing isn't about welfare bill.

Please answer whether a couple- he a cleaner, she a teaching assisstant- both working full time. Is it fair they get social housing rent rates? Without which, they'd be likely to be homeless?

What do you think?

Because we sure as hell would sink as a society if the many, many low paid roles suddenly couldn't roll up to work one day.

People receiving a bit of help at e ot a homogeneous lump.

Things are more complex.

Precisely, but this poster instantly comes out with the ‘benefit bashing’ rhetoric that we are all sick of hearing

Interested in your answer @PeonyPatch

Genuinely.

Erm… I am reading previous posts. Why do you think I quoted one?

And who the hell are you to tell me what to do?

How is this relevant to the post I quoted?

Also, whether or not it’s ‘fair’ isn’t a straightforward question. As a couple, they may well be taking home more than a young graduate who is single, having to rent privately, and pay all bills themselves.

Yet they would have no chance of getting a council house and would no doubt be told to move somewhere cheaper.

It depends on the criteria to get on the social housing list. In some areas, anyone can join. They just might be waiting years.
Where I live, it is means tested and there is a salary cut off. The low wage couple, if working full time, would not actually get on the list here as the limit is £40k for a couple. The graduate, if on less than £30k, would be eligible.

I agree.

We got a sh place not long ago, and we have a household income of around 50k.

No family help, and no way of getting a mortgage. Paid crippling private rent for around 30 years.

Put your names down.

And dont resent those who may pay a doable rather than a crippling rent than you.

You really are fighting the wrong battle.

I don't understand what the supposed benefit is to shipping people out of their SH every 5 years or so. They have to find a private rental, (if they can) then a year later the landlord wants the property back to let to his neighbours girlfriends brother. So now the original family are facing homelessness, have to panic to get a new place, and go back on the list for SH. Just creating a neverending circle of movement so nobody ever feels safe and settled, and can work on bettering their life.

Encouraging those who have made it up to a good income to buy instead, with lower priced local developments could work.And yes, if they want to stay then their rent goes up considerably.
Building more one bed and two bed retirement properties would help free up the larger homes, and maybe offer a choice of 3, and then no choice, just a here's where you're going.

Oh, and maybe we should do something about the insecurity and ever rising rents in private rentals. Or is that too socialist?

SH should be for everyone. Anyone and everyone.

Just 3 more replies then we done

So one of the drivers of inflation is people buying property as an investment, in other countries buying houses is restricted to try to avoid this, for example in Singapore the state really controls it to the point where x house can only be bought by someone who meets y criteria, in India only those with Indian citizenship can own property, in Germany you can only evict a tenant if you or your children intend to live in the property. In the UK it’s a crazy free for all.

Yes quite incredible that these are also the very same people who would chuck a family out of their home or double their rent if they went over 37k, probably would if they got the NMW, if they could.

No one on 100k plus should be getting benefits, esp for children, which was their choice.

I agree x