To start a conspiracy theory thread about the pyramids?

[Gardener82]

Do you believe the pyramids or The sphinx were built by the ancient Egyptians?
I’m just watching Egypt’s Secret code and Bradley Walsh isn’t accepting this theory, my husband believes it was Aliens.
I don’t know what I think really, please discuss, Share your thoughts.

I have a degree in prehistoric archaeology and I think your husband is talking bollocks. All of the things he lists are perfectly possible with the technology of the era - given enough time. And they had time, because every year they used their flood season to do this work. It was a way of keeping people in work and earning when they couldn't farm. In terms of the statuary, the craftsmen of the time had literal years to finish these pieces.

There is also evidence that the Egyptians used early brain surgery (trepanning) and the patients regularly survived. These were very advanced people.

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I'm no historian. However I watched one documentary that explained how Egyptians placed a heavy stone on a tomb by displacing sand. They was around for a long time. They knew their physics. We have replicated this method. I think science scares some people.

I'm not sure all conspiracy theorists are stupid. They do hate science so I find that upsetting.

Now the Congress stuff scares the absolute shit out of me as a scientist as it defies our current understanding of physics. But maybe like how do you place an impossibly heavy stone on a tomb, we just need to figure this out.

I do not belive Aliens built the pyramids. It's physics and maths and rules of maths mean we had similar accent structures around the world before we talked globally.

But we have to be open minded to learn. The first thing I learnt on my degree is you can not dismiss what you can not disprove. So Adam.and Eve? No I belive in evolution but I can not state Adam and Eve was made up as a scientific fact. I can just prove it's it's extremely un plausible. On a personal level I think things are utter BS but I have no place to state things as irrefutable fact.

No one knows what bought chemistry to life in these thermal vents. We just don't know everything. Science is to big for the adverage brain. Definitely mine anyway. Conspiracy theorists all seem to belive in every Conspiracy going which is fascinating in itself. My friend is obsessed. It's the only thing she lights up out ( or talks about). Would be sad to think her entire existence was to research BS. So on that note, where are the research papers into ET and the pyramids?

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Oh @pointythings that must have been a fascinating degree. In another life I would have loved to study this 😁

The only way to find out the secret of the pyramids is with a massive ' bunker buster ' bomb. Trump is on the case , fear not. And afterwards Jared Kushner has big plans for the site. Alien World theme park I think.

Not really. Sure, the Egyptians and others had river gauges, they knew when the floods were due to come, but they never got to understand where the rain came from. Hence they had Hapi, their god of the Nile. Who they had temples to, to pray for the floods.

As evidence for what I say, I present the Bible. What does it say about the water cycle ? Book of Isaiah, some of which is thought to date from about 800BC.

“For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and do not return there but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater,” – Isaiah 55:10

Does not return there. So the Bible folk did not know the water cycle. They thought it was their God who sent the rain.

And this is a theme repeated over many ancient civilizations. Human sacrifice was popular in many to bring the rain.

It is depressingly common for the 'earlier people were inept/incapable' theory to run riot. Earlier people were just as capable, intelligent and had just as good problem solving abilities as we do now. In fact, we are probably worse, because we rely on machinery and computers, millennia ago everything had to be done with muscle power and careful design.

Paleolithic man wasn't stupid. Neolithic man wasn't stupid. They were just like us brainwise. They will have had their cleverclogs who came up with ideas - and the manpower to make unlikely seeming things happen.

Apart from all the other myriad problems with your husband's "theory," he believes that aliens built the pyramids, put dead people in them to divert attention, and then just fucked off. Rather than be able to imagine wooden rollers and shit loads of people. Both of which we know were around. What a prize you've got there OP.

The transmission- and loss- of knowledge is fascinating. How different civilisations transferred knowledge from one generation to the next, each generation building on the knowledge of those that came before. The Egyptians were excellent record keepers and the empire lasted eons so they had a long time to accumulate skills and knowledge.

A disaster that wipes out a generation, or a group, can take all the knowledge with it. There are records in several cultures of the Great Flood that wiped out knowledge around the Mediterranean.

Hence the Renaissance when we gradually rebuilt and redistributed knowledge after its destruction by (I think) the Mongolian hoards.

At different times, knowledge has been preserved by the Greeks, the Moors, as a PP says the Christian monks. I’m sure every civilisation will have had a remnant trying to share their knowledge in the years following its collapse.

It really interests me that our knowledge now is stored digitally, electricity dependent. What would survive a cataclysm now?

How can things that never existed, apart from in imagination, have died ?

Or did they jump in their spaceships and boldly go where none had been before. :-)

Agreed. The problem I have with God, other than his non-existence, is that the moment you get gods, you get organised religion. And then you get people putting themselves in groups and setting themselves against other groups. It's divisive.

The secondary problem is that man tends to make God in his own image - with all the selfishness, pettiness and hatefulness we all have the potential to enact.

There is lots of history that we now know to be false but it has never been changed because its too complicated. Always bare that in mind.

We dont know for a fact who built them, or why. (Or how!)

Is your husband ok op? This is not normal

Watch Land of the Pharoahs (Joan Collins and Jack Hawkins) 1955.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PFPIQgz2e-g&pp=ygUcTGFuZCBvZiB0aGUgcGhhZm9haHMgdHJhaWxlcg%3D%3D

To quote you : "It really interests me that our knowledge now is stored digitally, electricity dependent. What would survive a cataclysm now?"

A massive amount would survive.

As a thought experiment, lets randomly pick a few tens of thousands of people, and beam them to a new empty planet, a copy of earth. They go naked, take nothing.

The knowledge we have accumulated goes with them in their heads. The farmers would find animals and plants for hair and fibers, the spinners and weavers would get to work, the builders would build, the paper makers would get making, the geologists searching. and so on.

And they write stuff down to record their combined knowledge, and because they know about the scientific method, gaps would soon be filled.

Of course, such an experiment in real life would need space aliens to do the beaming :-)

Jesus Christ you make it sound like I’m married to Peter Sutcliffe.

Doesn't hold water anyway, because it’s rare that we witness experts spouting attitudes and theories which the dogs in the street sneer at.

Humans who lived 4,000 years ago weren't grunting idiots covered in shit. They were just as clever and inventive as modern humans. Their knowledge of architecture and maths was extremely advanced. If it hadn't been for those distructive Romans who burnt down the Egyptian libraries at Alexandria, we would still have all the blueprints and plans showing how they were built.

The Romans were absolute bastards at propaganda and smear campaigns against foreign civilisations, they wanted to erase the Egyptian empire, and all the progess and advances they'd made with it. What's really dissapointing is that it seems to have worked, everyone is still going on about aliens, despite the fact that we do now know how the pyramids were built. It's pathetic, but shows how the lazy human mind would rather believe a fantastical lie than understand that some people that lived 4,000 years ago were just way smarter than you.

You ever heard of Godwin's Law? It's the one that says in any online discussion regardless of topic, eventually someone will reference Hitler.

This is the equivalent - in any Mumsnet thread regardless of topic, someone will eventually reference trans people. Maybe we should call it Justine's Law.

Certainly in terms of how much brain-wasting codswallop has been latched on to in order to fill the vacancy.
GK Chesterton too warned about this mad pressure now to embrace all kinds of everything, giving free rein to credulousness.
Even super-smart scientists have managed to believe ten impossible things before breakfast while spending the day designing the most far out and epoch-making possibilities in aeronautics, for example.
It’s not all just dim bulbs proclaiming that they are Wiccan witches and waffling on about their magic ‘practice’.

Agree, and as evidence I suggest Hyperloop.

When they done the first competition, they had a team, from a Berlin Uni I think. who entered a vehicle that carried tanks of compressed gas, in order to create the " hockey table air cushion", as described by Musk in his "white paper".

How none of the Engineers figured out that an air cushion in a near vacuum tube was not a good idea just blows my mind.

Beware of vapourware I say. It sucks in many who should know far better.

Yeah because that’s what undermines the alien theory. Not the fact that not all aliens have opposable thumbs.

It does rather.

War, and rising water levels.