If I see any more comments on Mumsnet of it's just a dog

[Lifeneedsaresetagain]

Do people not realise that for those who welcome them into the family they are part of the family. And if you have a dog and say it's just a dog, I'm not sure you should have one.

Some people get so blinded by the ‘my child is a doctor, don’t you know!!!’ trope that they forget that there is so much more to the happiness of a young adult. And I say that as a doctor of many years myself ;-)

I don’t think it’s the same. All pets can be loved intensely for sure. However dogs have evolved alongside us for thousands of years. We have shaped their evolution and now the bonds between man and dog can be a powerful chemical thing. If you haven’t felt it, you can’t understand, much like what a parent says about having a child.

@MyOliveCrow would it be preferable if I said she still lived at home, couldn’t afford to move out, and didn’t have a degree, didn’t have lots of friends, and didn’t have a job she loved that she actively wanted to do.

It certainly is messed up - look at the people on here who say they value the life of a dog over the life of a human child.

Dogs seem to be the new thing to get hysterical about on MN. The key point in the thread this one refers to is that that OP's boyfriend lied about asking his parents' about the dog and only told her now, 2 weeks before Christmas that it couldn't come. The boyfriend lying was the salient point that passed a huge number of posters by. If it had been anything but a dog, posters would have sympathised with her, but because it is a dog, it brought out those who just want to say negative things about dogs and will shoehorn them in wherever they can.

Some of us have had and loved dogs very much but are still able to recognise that they are dogs.

No it would be preferable if you spoke about her as a person, her happiness. Instead of what she has and doesn't have. But as you said, we all quantify differently. You care that she has what you deem a nice job, I care that my DC are happy, well rounded individuals who are aware that they are more important to me than anything else. Including dogs of past and future that have meant so much to me.

@HotWaterCosts i know there’s so much more to happiness for everyone than profession not just young adults.

What did you expect to get from this thread op. I’m genuinely curious.

You get to cosy up to all the other dog people and tell everyone else to get off your thread?

It's not even about being a dog person, there are plenty of dog people out there who don't believe that their dog's life is equal to or superior to human life.

It's largely just being about a complete weirdo.

The question was what I would do.
Others within society can make their own choices.

As I said very early on. People can have their own priorities.

If you want to spend your Saturday in a state of moral outrage because mine are different to yours - please feel free to indulge yourself.

Dogs aren't family. They are worth less than humans and if you seriously think otherwise you have something wrong with you.

People who prioritise animals over humans always think they're so empathetic and kind when in fact that they only prefer animals because they're less complicated than humans, because they can offer all that nice easy "unconditional" love and won't judge. It is not a more empathetic or evolved position. It's childishness.

Unless you're starting a brand new society exempt from the norms and rules of humanity, your choice would be the same as anyone else's.

@MyOliveCrow at no point have I said DD is not a priority, or is unloved. I’m not sure where you’ve taken that from. Sometimes DH comes first in our family, sometimes I do, sometimes DD does, sometimes the dogs do. It’s all based on ebs, flows, shifts and needs of life. No one family member can be the priority all of the time.

It wasn’t a question they volunteered that little snippet of information that they’d rather a child die - you can’t then complain when people say hang on a minute that seems a little bit fucking mental.

Dogs I have time for are working dogs only. Assistance, Sniffers, Police, Drug detection, Sheep herding, Ratcatchers and so on.

Once they move into people's homes they no longer live their true lives.

THAT is cruel I believe.

OP, can you answer this. You (like others) said you would save your dog over a stranger’s child. Does that mean you would be upset but understanding if someone else saved their animal over your daughter in a fire, and they let her die as they chose to save their dog instead? Just to be clear.

I don’t expect to cosy up with all the dog people, there are different levels of dog people. And just because we have dogs doesn’t mean we all agree. Like just because two people have a child they all agree.

Well, they meant that hunting was more successful, so fewer humans starved to death or sustained fatal injuries when trying to get food for their families, they protected livestock from wild predators, meaning that people were able to eat, they would raise the alarm and protect the humans from attacks from both wild animals and other humans wanting to kill, rape and enslave humans and would kill vermin, thereby protecting food stores and reducing the likelihood of death from zoonotic disease and contamination. So they're probably responsible for the fact that humans still exist in the first place, rather than fizzling out thousands of years ago.

The entirety of civilisation is founded upon the use of animals such as dogs - no time to start wittering on in iambic pentameter were it not for the animals providing security, protection, transportation, agricultural muscle and food. And no livesaving medicine without millions of animals to test stuff on, too.

I didn't say she wasn't unloved, but you were the one who said that said she is on par with the dog, that you wouldn't let having her dictate your life and then that she must be fine because she is a doctor. I simply pointed out to you that being a doctor doesn't mean anything and when you asked what would have been preferable I said that you had responded about her happiness, not that she has what you clearly think is a fancy job. Your priorities seem to be very bizarre.

You clearly don't value your daughter that much either because you would be happy for a stranger to save their pet, any pet, over her life. So no, I don't think you put her needs above your own. Not your dogs, but your own. Your responses are about you and your needs, not anyone else's. Saving your dogs life over a child's is incredibly selfish. And accepting that someone else would save their pets over your daughters (because by saying you would do that means you would be happy for someone else to do that to your child) is equally so.

😂

Nice try.

Dogs had fuck all bearing on human ability to survive.

This whole hyperthetical argument of saving a dog verses a strangers child. In the hypothetical I’m always going to go with the psychology of choice driven by emotional attachment. In a reality I’d follow instinct based on the situation at hand.

Lol. State of you all cross on the internet because somebody isn’t singing from your hymn sheet.
You should take a dog out for a walk, gets rid of all that pent up indignation. 😂

This trying to jump through hoops to justify saying you’d rather a child die than your dog is telling. You have written the words and they are there forever - I hope you truly stand by them.