Doctor lying on report..

[Anon662120622]

So I've sent a very blunt email with threats to report to the ombudsman and GMC after appointment with specialist.. Long story short - Shoulder trauma injury, felt shoulder pop out and tear. Still no improvement after 21 weeks, unable to lift arm out any further than 30 degrees. Extreme impact on quality of life

I've been to multiple appointments and four physio sessions (referred by doctor.) Last one was extremely dismissive and actually lied in the report. Physio wrote a letter suggesting he thought I had a paralysed muscle, muscle wastage and nerve damage. Doctor completely wrote that of as he "doesn't trust that physio" because he doesn't specialise in my kind of injury... Why send me there and waste two whole months then?! He told me I was holding my arm down.. it's completely deformed, as mentioned above, I felt it like pop out and it was instantly lower.

He lied on the report saying
*I could touch my thumb to my lower lumbar spine which was an outright lie. I can't get my arm to rotate backwards at all.
*He noted there was no muscle wastage - my shoulder is pretty much skin and bones, there has definitely been a massive amount of wastage.

• noted no weakness of rotator cuff. I'd say not being able to lift my arm out any further than 30 degrees indicates a significant amount of weakness?

I've written a complaint email to the pals team noting that I'm going to complain to the ombudsman and GMC and will even go down the legal route if a delayed diagnosis leads to further problems/permanent paralysis.

I asked for a second opinion and they've just booked me back in to see the same doctor.. fastest response and appointment offer I've ever recieved I might add.

Am I being unreasonable to ask again for a second opinion from a different doctor?
I'm still going to attend the one with the same doctor and have said I'm requesting to be able to audio record this next appointment so any discrepancies can be properly noted with no denial. I'm also requesting for the report to be changed.

I believe the reason he said all of the lies as mentioned would be to downplay my injury to avoid having to take the reasonable steps to treat me properly? He referred me to a rehab saying they'd give me a diagnosis on my first appointment and he'd trust everything they say. They phoned to book my appointment and told me that the doctors massively lie and act like they're some kind of miracle workers. They said they're essentially just another physio and they wouldn't be able to give me a diagnosis.)

I've honestly just had enough, I'm going to have to pay to go private.. maybe our NI and Tax should be a thing of the past, or massively dropped as we obviously aren't recieving what it's all advertised to be. 🙄

You don't need to inform or seek permission from the other party that you are recording if you are part of the conversation.What you can't do is record other people having a conversation that you aren't part of. That is eavesdropping. Many people record their conversations to keep as notes. If it happens to be required later to prove that someone is lying then that's up to a judge....

No you don't need permission. See below...

They'd also often be ok saying this verbally....

I've worked with many physios... I've heard them say in front of patients, that various surgeons were incompetent /dangerous /butchers and encouraging pwtients to complain. They've also saod some choice things about some GPs about referral delays...

I agree the.GMC referral is unlikely to go anywhere unless there is a pattern of behaviour, or an allegation of purposeful dishonesty for an ulterior motive.

Patients are allowed to record consultations with or without the medical staff's consent or knowledge.

Did you not go to A&E for shoulder X-Ray in the first instance - assuming you are in UK?
You would then be given appropriate treatment at A&E and then referred to Orthopaedic Consultant..

Sorry to say but you will have to go privately to get peace of mind - and get yourself fixed - expensive but its your health and hopefully it will be worth it

Retired physio here. Demand to see an orthopaedic surgeon specialising in shoulder injuries. He will send you to a neurologist if necessary to see if you have nerve damage. Keep us posted.

Yes I completely comprehend & immensely empathise 😢
It's horrendously worrying & deeply distressing how what 1 professional writes, can then have rippling awful affects, because numerous of these people with power, abuse their authority & they're sheep like
Jumping on the bandwagon 😢
Some just presume, that because a so called professional, wrote something, it must be Gospel truth, like it's written in stone
Please keep the faith & continue to have courage & confidence to clear this up
You deserve immensely much better 💚🙏💚

I do not think he sounds like hard work but like smeone in pain who is fed up of not being given a professional diagnosis by someone actually interested in their chosen medical field. He just wants appropriate treatment. Some Doctors/Specialists/other Medical "Professionals" do lie. Why?? Who really knows.

Standing up for oneself can be very hard work when being unreasonbly ignored or sidelined.

PS Have you had an MRI? You haven[t mentioned it. That should have been done immediately.

@Didimag48 Yes, I had one around 4 months ago. It showed burstitis, thinning of the supraspinatus and tendinopathy. I read this from the report sent to my doctor after the appointment I had been to to "talk me through my diagnosis". During this appointment I was told that there was nothing really wrong. I had been told in previous a+e visits that they had suspicions that I had majorly torn one or two of my muscles so my husband questioned this and the doctor said there is tears BUT nothing major. So he had massively downplayed the findings from the mri when I went to see him. I just can't really trust him.

I'm so sorry to know you went through this, God Bless You 🫂
I've also been informed I have Bursitis & Tendinopathy & it was also downplayed immensely much so that it made me think I was making a mountain of a molehill -
However we know the amount of pain we're suffering & enduring, no one else
Also I remember how it felt, previously, I knew how it was once, to be painfree, once agile & able to be active
So we know the difference & have this discernment 💚🫂💚

You can't trust him, he is not acting for you. You have to move on. Too many people linger with doctors that are crap because it is unbelievable that anyone would get to that level and still be thick as shit. Don't waste time OP, keep moving. Somebody better will help you.

I have tears and my doctor was so sympathetic and said you must be in agony on your right side.
He was correct, I was.

I'm pleased your doctor was compassionately sympathetic & also able to identify the tears from the images on your scan or x-ray
Sometimes imperative interpretation of images can be dangerously misunderstood & missed 💚

Thank you.
I had mri's on both shoulders. After the level of pain it was a relief to finally know why.
My prescription meds have provided me with real relief thankfully.

Oh God bless you Sincere Soul 💚
Yes numerous times I've heard it mentioned how MRI Scans, are 1 of the most effective, in concerns with picking up vital information 🫂
Other Xrays can miss the mark & simply & sadly, just not be's effective
Thank you for sharing your enlightenments & experience
Wishing You&Yours all the utmost very best 💚🙏💚

Update - had my first rehab appointment today and was told she suspected type three shoulder instability along side whatever is causing the pain on the front of my shoulder.

She essentially said that she believes it stems from me being passed from pillar to post after my initial injury, not being given clear answers. My brain isn't properly communicating to my shoulder muscles on how to use them naturally, leading so a partial or full dislocation. She has booked me in to see her again next week (one week exactly from todays appointment) and is also sorting my out an intensive schedule of hydrotherapy for early next month. She had me using a shoulder pully system today which helped me to raise my shoulder well above where it has been in the last 5 months. She was so kind and I felt listened to for the first time since the initial injury, she took the time to talk through everything and read through all of my medical notes.

She said that on the radiographer report it noted that I should be sent for clearer imaging by ultrasound so the doctors completely let me down there and never even mentioned it.

I've come away today feeling so many emotions - happy to finally feel as though we are getting to the bottom of it, with a real (although partial) diagnosis, and a promising treatment plan set in place. I'm also feeling mixed emotions knowing that I still have a long road to recovery and I'm also bullying myself a little knowing that it's my brain that is limiting my movement.

I'm hopeful that I'll be able to recover through rehab and now know that there are surgical options available if we get nowhere with my current treatment plan.

If there are any updates next week after my specialist appointment I'll pop another update on. Thanks for everyone's support and kind words. 🫶

I can well imagine your mixed emotions, but I really hope this is the beginning of your full recovery.
Wishing you well.

You have every right to be angry and pissed off . The injury you have is so painful and debilitating. I agree you should complain . Could you afford to see someone privately .

What part of wanting chronic pain adressed is hard work?

@Anon662120622 how are you getting on now?

@MissIonX I'm still in the same boat, I made my complaint and have had my second opinion. The doctor I last saw has basically said that the only thing he didn't agree with the physio was the potential nerve damage. So partial muscle paralysis and muscle wastage are agreed. They have declined giving me any extra tests as they believe it's a "muscle patterning" condition.

Still living with chronic pain, but I am seeing an amazing rehab physio weekly. I don't feel as though I'm getting anywhere but she believes I have a really good chance of regaining full mobility. The doctor has said it may take years to see any major improvements.

I am working on it hard each day but It has been tough and I am massively limited by the pain.

You are in great pain you say.....Do you need any assistance regarding, having a shower, getting dried and dressed, are you able to cook clean etc? I ask because you maybe entitled to the Personal Independent Payement. Many get it who shouldn't but reading in-between the lines l think you will qualify, even if it's only a short time. Some areas you can apply on line, some you cannot, if not give them a call to send you out the forms. Before l get attacked, not all claimants can lease a car, depends on their medical issues