Why can’t we just hang scum like this?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2k4qd8q97eo

Worse than being a killer.

True.

However in the documentary "How To Kill A Human" (BBC), the idea of a painless execution was rather poo-poohed by a big advocate in a US retentionist state.

Totally unaware of the harm he was doing for the capital punishment cause, he gave a rather creepy smile when he said "it's gotta hurt to be worth it".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/executions/

I like that thought experiment.

'No' is my answer.

Let me refine it a bit.

If we could guarantee that the execution of one innocent person would stop all murders for a year, and that one person would be chosen at random from your child's class, would you agree to it?

One of the reasons the death penalty was abolished was because juries became hesitant to bring a guilty verdict if it meant the person would be hanged.

And him going to prison is going to undo what he did, is it?

No. I'm not sure how that relates to your previous post and my reply to it.

Neither would hanging him, if that's your argument.

Well take Lucy Letby for example. Everyone was baying for her blood after her conviction.

However now a group of eminent experts have studied the evidence and concluded that no babies were murdered at all

Given the numerous NHS hospitals in which many babies have died as the result of inadequate care this is no real surprise.

I am not saying that Lucy Letby will ever be released. The UK justice system hates admiting its mistakes. Their motto should probably be better a thousand innocent people rot in jail than one judge is made to look silly.

But at least as she hasn't been hung there's a chance.

with DNA CCTV - the man on the bus in America killing a lone ?Polish girl whilst people looked away will haunt me forever - I would happily plug him into the mains!

What do you think other paedophiles in active society will do if a paedophile gets hanged? Sometimes it's not about the punishment, it's about how a message can be put across to anyone thinking of carrying out the same heinous crime.

Prison isn't really the powerful "don't do this or else" that it used to be to criminals because it doesn't think in the same way a criminal does.

There was video evidence of this man abusing babies.

This isn’t a “beyond reasonable doubt” situation

As long his avoids the burning sugar poored over him or the shit in his shepherd pie or the piss in his coffee, he will be OK isolated and locked up 33 hours a day. Of course he is just waiting for the blade into the eye. Never knowing when, but knowing even a lostprophet is found by them eventually. There are worse things than death.

But all convictions are supposed to be beyond all reasonable doubt. Lucy Letby was sentenced to 8 whole life orders I think. This is as severe as you can get under the present system. So she definitely would have been hung if we had the death penalty.

I am not saying this man is innocent. In fact he seems extremely likely to be guilty, his crime is abhorrent and I am very pleased he is in jail.

However it is worth considering that digital video is nothing but a large number of zeros and ones. With current advances in technology, it would be perfectly possible to create very realistic video footage of people commiting crimes when they had done nothing of the sort.

If they death penalty worked as a deterrent, there would have been no murders while it was on the books. So no, it doesn't act as a deterrent.

Albert Pierrepoint, the last hangman, said that he didn't believe that the threat of hanging has deterred even one murderer.

What do you think other paedophiles in active society will do if a paedophile gets hanged?

See no point in not killing their victims.

He’s not “extremely likely”. He’s 100% guilty.

He filmed himself sexually abusing toddlers.

There is no “likelihood”

What are you even arguing about at this point? You seem far more interested in being “right” than what the babies and toddlers, 100%, without any doubt AT ALL endured and what their parents will have to live with.

Do you know what? Pontifications about baby rapists make me feel physically sick.
Good luck to you all. I can’t stomach this any more.

I thought we were discussing whether or not we should bring back the death penalty?

I was just pointing out that videos can very easily be faked, so having a video of someone doing something is not incontravertible evidence of guilt.

It's not a debating tatic I have much sympathy with, pretending that if someone doesn't agree with you it must be beacuse they lack empathy for the victims of child sexual abuse.

Oh give me a break!

it’s ok to call people scum when they are. People that abuse babies are absolutely scum. Why would you even bother trying to defend them?! It’s such a fucking weird reaction 🤢🤢

When these types of crimes are proven without doubt I don’t disagree with these Tudor methods of punishment,
how sad for the parents of this school

Yeh but everyone has to pay for these creatures food and care in prison the point in putting them down is so they are no longer a burden on the earth

Personally I think that looking at actual harm done, as opposed to how vile the crime is, this one ranks pretty low. Lower in fact than house burglars - whom I do think should be hanged.

We must never ever give the government the right to kill us. Not under any circumstances. The potential for it to end badly is huge.

People advocating for the death penalty either don't care about mistaken executions, or can't imagine them happening. Or both.

Once you have reached that nadir of rational thought, then it's all about the preformative vengeance dressed up in a faux concern for victims (who, let's be frank, nobody gave a shit about when they were alive) and topped with a generous dose of "If not this then that" aimed at criticism in an attempt to whip up mob rule.

I wonder what the stats are re people killed mistakenly against those that have been released after doing their time and gone on to kill again.