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To suggest that all the people who know people who are definitely faking disability for benefits should report them.

226 replies

Mokeytree · 03/12/2025 16:05

So many people post online about knowing a person or family, some apparently know multiple people who are lying to claim PIP or DLA for their children.
If you know this for a fact as us claimed then you should report them.

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Serencwtch · 03/12/2025 21:12

I get a high rate of PIP.

Unless you know me very well eg close family & friends you wouldn't think there was anything wrong with me as I am very good at hiding it & pretending to be okay.

I have a career, a family, hobbies & a social life. I go away on holiday (not abroad because insurance is tricky), I compete my 2 horses most weekends.

I also live with Schizoaffective disorder (a severe & fluctuating mental illness like a combination of schizophrenia & bipolar). I also have epilepsy & a condition which affects my bladder & so use intermittent catheterization & cannot pass urine normally.

None of these conditions are visible but they are seriously disabling & definitely not faked.

HairyToity · 03/12/2025 21:15

I know a couple who exaggerate it, I wouldn't say they have no health issues though...

The one has a car and pip for his arthritis and depression. His arthritis doesn't stop him walking or fishing, and is also able to hold down a full time job. I wouldn't report him as he may suffer with the stress. His car and extra cash have made the world of difference to his mental health.

The other one has had bowel cancer, he had to have a stoma for twelve months after. He's made a full recovery but he was 55 when he had his diagnosis, and decided he didn't want to return to work after. He bought a caravan on the coast where he spends a lot of his time. Again he exaggerated everything and had the car. He has been reported by another, but it was dismissed.

Fends · 03/12/2025 21:15

Kettlepotkettle · 03/12/2025 21:12

I have a very hard time believing there’s a sizeable amount of people going around bragging they’re committing fraud, the numbers of busy bodies poking their nose in other people’s business making false accusations spreading rumours I guarantee is a lot higher. And unless you really do have 100% proof don’t report someone especially someone with children with rent to pay.

and before someone hits me with the “but I live in shitsville and EVERYONE here is falsely claiming” I don’t give af, 99% of the uk isn’t like that so stop using it to spread ideas that could ruin someone’s life

99%? You can’t say that at all. And I don’t live in “shitsville”. Who does?

Vivi0 · 03/12/2025 21:17

pointythings · 03/12/2025 19:16

The Joseph Rowntree Foundation carried out research in 2012 or thereabouts looking into the claim of there being loads of families where 3 or 4 generations had never worked.

Surprise: such families were exceedingly rare.

We are now 13 years down the line and while dated, there is no way that loads of such families have suddenly sprung up in the UK. It's an impossibility.

I also will continue to call bullshit on all those people who are 100% privy to the financial and other affairs of benefit claimants they know. And that has to be the bar for reporting - there has to be certainty. Because if you are reported, there is a very good chance that your benefits will be stopped immediately. As will any linked benefits, because they are very often interconnected. So what happens then is that a person or family spirals into poverty and debt from which it is very difficult to recover.

Now imagine that person who has been reported has in fact done absolutely nothing wrong and is fully entitled to everything they are getting - but some bitter, jealour busybody has thrown their lives into chaos. You'd better be 100% sure, in possession of photographic evidence of absolutely everything before you take that step of reporting someone for benefit fraud.

But this study is very limited in scope.

Reserachers went to Glasgow and Middlesbrough, with the logic that if any such families existed, they would easily find them in one of these cities.

But no one from any such families came forwards.

Which, as someone who comes from an incredibly deprived area in Glasgow, isn’t surprising.

The researchers seem to have drawn the conclusion that due to the lack of engagement with them, that such families are therefore rare.

There are however, other reasons.

People who are on benefits through choice, rather than necessity, would naturally be reluctant to discuss their benefits, and reasons for claiming those benefits, with people they perceive to be in a position of authority i.e. the researchers, for fear of potentially drawing attention to themselves and losing their benefits.

Many people who come from families where multiple generations have claimed benefits grew up in poverty, thus resulting in poor outcomes, i.e. addiction, incarceration, poor mental health, involvement in crime etc. Again, these people are understandably unwilling, or unable, to engage with researchers.

Many of the older members of the families would be dead. Glasgow has the lowest life expectancy in Europe - see the Glasgow effect.

The loss of industry in Glasgow decimated communities here, and many families just never recovered from that.

I don’t understand what anyone gains from denying this. As I said upthread, all it achieves is condemning an entire generation of children trapped in these communities to a life on benefits.

I am certainly not bashing any of these people, I find it incredibly upsetting that so many people have been left behind by reliance on the welfare system.

UserFront242 · 03/12/2025 21:20

Kettlepotkettle · 03/12/2025 21:12

I have a very hard time believing there’s a sizeable amount of people going around bragging they’re committing fraud, the numbers of busy bodies poking their nose in other people’s business making false accusations spreading rumours I guarantee is a lot higher. And unless you really do have 100% proof don’t report someone especially someone with children with rent to pay.

and before someone hits me with the “but I live in shitsville and EVERYONE here is falsely claiming” I don’t give af, 99% of the uk isn’t like that so stop using it to spread ideas that could ruin someone’s life

I have seen it loads on here. People hearing their neighbours, who happen to all be on benefits, bragging about it in their gardens for everyone to hear.
I know many people on benefits, and they don't talk about it at all.

Vivi0 · 03/12/2025 21:21

Kettlepotkettle · 03/12/2025 21:04

99% of the uk isn’t like that though, 99% of people claiming benefits are legit, stop pushing the idea fraud is widespread just because you worked in dumpsville. Seriously it could ruin lives. Think about it there are families with children who need uc to pay their rent. Nosy busybodies are causing intense stress to people trying to get on with their lives. Read my previous comments I’ve been on the receiving end of it it’s horrible

99% of the uk isn’t like that though, 99% of people claiming benefits are legit

How can you possibly know this? You can’t. You’ve just completely made that up.

Also, the way you are speaking about deprived areas in the UK is absolutely disgusting.

5128gap · 03/12/2025 21:22

I've decided the best idea is to report every single person I know, just in case.
There's a woman I see on a mobility scooter but I can't hand on heart guarantee she's 'virtually unable to walk', so it's worth flagging up.
Then my hairdresser, she's got a BMW, so could be via motability despite being fit as a fiddle.
I've tried to intercept my next door neighbours post to see if there's a DWP letter because he's often home in the day, but the postman got a bit stroppy with me.
Which led me to suspect the postman, who is definitely not disabled but might well be claiming PIP regardless.
Its taking me some time to work through every single person ever I'll admit. But if I'm saving the tax payer money, I'm happy to press on.

Spareusername5 · 03/12/2025 21:27

To be honest, if I knew kettlepotkettle I’d report them out of spite because they are rude, self centred, and repetitive and it’s really annoying me.

Kettlepotkettle · 03/12/2025 21:29

Vivi0 · 03/12/2025 21:21

99% of the uk isn’t like that though, 99% of people claiming benefits are legit

How can you possibly know this? You can’t. You’ve just completely made that up.

Also, the way you are speaking about deprived areas in the UK is absolutely disgusting.

The way a woman old enough to be my mother (I was 21 she was 40 something) reported me for “fraud”, told all the other school mums in my child’s class I was “definitely committing fraud” and risked me being evicted if my money had been stopped and I hadn’t been able to pay my rent was absolutely disgusting. All because I was successfuly co parenting while her relationship with her kids father was a complete shit show. Damn guess get along for the kids means you’re “pretending to be a single mum for more benefits”

That was fun.

But I’m the bad guy for using a naughty word when explaining that while someone online may claim everyone in their area is committing fraud that most of the uk isn’t like that and 99% of benefit claimants are legit.

TrippingOverMyAssets · 03/12/2025 21:30

What’s this, about the 50th benefits bashing thread this week? Yawn..

Anyahyacinth · 03/12/2025 21:30

Megifer · 03/12/2025 16:58

My SIL fakes hers, in that she could absolutely work if she had to and is very open about this, but Id never report her as that would impact my DBro and neices/nephews.

I dont particularly feel strongly about benefits claimants though, fake or otherwise.

The big news is, she could work and claim disability benefits...many do...its not either or

Kettlepotkettle · 03/12/2025 21:34

Spareusername5 · 03/12/2025 21:27

To be honest, if I knew kettlepotkettle I’d report them out of spite because they are rude, self centred, and repetitive and it’s really annoying me.

Once upon a time I wasn’t a gargantuan c* * *.

You could say I had a bad experience with people who get kicks out of reporting innocent people for fraud. And now here we are

Vivi0 · 03/12/2025 21:39

Kettlepotkettle · 03/12/2025 21:29

The way a woman old enough to be my mother (I was 21 she was 40 something) reported me for “fraud”, told all the other school mums in my child’s class I was “definitely committing fraud” and risked me being evicted if my money had been stopped and I hadn’t been able to pay my rent was absolutely disgusting. All because I was successfuly co parenting while her relationship with her kids father was a complete shit show. Damn guess get along for the kids means you’re “pretending to be a single mum for more benefits”

That was fun.

But I’m the bad guy for using a naughty word when explaining that while someone online may claim everyone in their area is committing fraud that most of the uk isn’t like that and 99% of benefit claimants are legit.

This is the second time you’ve responded to me with a rant, completely unrelated to the point I’ve made.

But I’m the bad guy for using a naughty word when explaining that while someone online may claim everyone in their area is committing fraud that most of the uk isn’t like that and 99% of benefit claimants are legit.

As I said, the way you are speaking about deprived areas in the UK is disgusting.

Funny that you are accusing others of lying, whilst simultaneously posting figures and stats about benefit claimants which you have just completely made up.

CryMyEyesViolet · 03/12/2025 21:41

Cheesecake53 · 03/12/2025 16:30

Why ask you not for the rich people not being paying tax being reported bei their friends? Poor people bashing of course.

As someone who spends most of her time helping rich people pay their tax, what do you think they’re actually doing?

Kettlepotkettle · 03/12/2025 21:47

Vivi0 · 03/12/2025 21:39

This is the second time you’ve responded to me with a rant, completely unrelated to the point I’ve made.

But I’m the bad guy for using a naughty word when explaining that while someone online may claim everyone in their area is committing fraud that most of the uk isn’t like that and 99% of benefit claimants are legit.

As I said, the way you are speaking about deprived areas in the UK is disgusting.

Funny that you are accusing others of lying, whilst simultaneously posting figures and stats about benefit claimants which you have just completely made up.

I’m just telling you what happened to me in case one of the people who think “report any suspicions” reads it. If I can stop one person or family going through what I went through then that’s a win.

I think the way you use living in the roughest end of a badgers ass where “everyone” is apparently fraudulently claiming to push the idea benefit fraud is super common is disgusting. Making false reports can ruin lives.

wossupthen · 03/12/2025 21:47

Themagicfarawaytreeismyfav · 03/12/2025 18:21

Well its not quite that simple…however its definitely nowhere near as hard as people on here would have you believe.

Hmm. Having been through the process with people absolutely 100% in need of help who are consistently turned down until appeal (one of the most stressful situations to have to experience) I beg to differ

Donttellempike · 03/12/2025 21:50

surreygirly · 03/12/2025 16:28

You mean like the 22 year old girl I know who cannot work because of depression and anxiety who is getting benefits
She is not too anxious or depressed however to go to the gym most days, go out for meals and to clubs with bf and friends , to go on a 6 week holiday to South Africa and a 3 week holiday to Egypt paid for by her parents
To be fair both parents who run their own business think she is going to being sponging from hem for ever but she is their daughter they love her they are stuck with it

Get a life

Portakalkedi · 03/12/2025 21:50

i receivePIP and have a physical disability, and would be glad if all cheats and frauds were reported. If you are genuine then what's to fear from being checked out? It would be to the benefit of everyone - well, taxpayers that is - for checks to be done at regular intervals, and I would include all other benefits too. Less fraud would in theory mean more to be spent on healthcare, education etc.

Bingbongbangbop · 03/12/2025 21:52

wossupthen · 03/12/2025 16:36

It's pretty much everyone isn't it? I mean everyone knows how simple claiming pip is! You just go to the doctor and say 'I'm a bit sad' and you get full rate and a free car and are automatically £71000 better off than a HARD WORKING person the Very Next Day!

🤣

UserFront242 · 03/12/2025 21:58

Portakalkedi · 03/12/2025 21:50

i receivePIP and have a physical disability, and would be glad if all cheats and frauds were reported. If you are genuine then what's to fear from being checked out? It would be to the benefit of everyone - well, taxpayers that is - for checks to be done at regular intervals, and I would include all other benefits too. Less fraud would in theory mean more to be spent on healthcare, education etc.

Because claiming PIP is not easy anyway, and if you are awarded it, then you have been deemed in need of it.
What the fuck has it got to do with some nosy busy body? If you report someone, will you pay less in taxes? No.

Vivi0 · 03/12/2025 21:58

Kettlepotkettle · 03/12/2025 21:47

I’m just telling you what happened to me in case one of the people who think “report any suspicions” reads it. If I can stop one person or family going through what I went through then that’s a win.

I think the way you use living in the roughest end of a badgers ass where “everyone” is apparently fraudulently claiming to push the idea benefit fraud is super common is disgusting. Making false reports can ruin lives.

I think the way you use living in the roughest end of a badgers ass where “everyone” is apparently fraudulently claiming to push the idea benefit fraud is super common is disgusting. Making false reports can ruin lives.

What are you even talking about?

It is a fact that benefit claims are highest in deprived areas.

Also, I’m not advocating reporting anyone.

I wouldn’t report anyone for actual benefit fraud, never mind suspected benefit fraud.

I was told on here to report my grandmother who is in her 80s FFS. By posters who were strongly denying that benefit fraud happens.

I imagine the OP is that kind of poster.

The people saying that they know x person who fraudulently claims benefits aren’t saying they have any intention of reporting them. I imagine most have no intention whatsoever of reporting anyone. It is the posters who are denying that benefit fraud happens that are shouting about reporting people.

Mokeytree · 03/12/2025 21:59

GagMeWithASpoon · 03/12/2025 18:02

I think OP’s point is that there are many (too many ) posters who will readily use an anecdote as “proof” to stir up hate and division (and some posts are truly hateful), but somehow they never do anything about it in real life , like reporting it rather than seething about it.

Indeed this is about the huge amount of posters purporting to know the ins and outs of people's medical and financial business. Who post online denigrating people who receive disability benefits as fraudsters because of the many people they apparently know who do so.

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Mokeytree · 03/12/2025 22:01

Vivi0 · 03/12/2025 21:58

I think the way you use living in the roughest end of a badgers ass where “everyone” is apparently fraudulently claiming to push the idea benefit fraud is super common is disgusting. Making false reports can ruin lives.

What are you even talking about?

It is a fact that benefit claims are highest in deprived areas.

Also, I’m not advocating reporting anyone.

I wouldn’t report anyone for actual benefit fraud, never mind suspected benefit fraud.

I was told on here to report my grandmother who is in her 80s FFS. By posters who were strongly denying that benefit fraud happens.

I imagine the OP is that kind of poster.

The people saying that they know x person who fraudulently claims benefits aren’t saying they have any intention of reporting them. I imagine most have no intention whatsoever of reporting anyone. It is the posters who are denying that benefit fraud happens that are shouting about reporting people.

Yes I am saying if these people are 100% fraudsters then yes you should report them.

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Vivi0 · 03/12/2025 22:06

Mokeytree · 03/12/2025 22:01

Yes I am saying if these people are 100% fraudsters then yes you should report them.

Why the fuck would I report my elderly grandmother?

Why would people on here want to report their family members, neighbours etc.

Why would anyone actually do something like this?

Mokeytree · 03/12/2025 22:07

Vivi0 · 03/12/2025 22:06

Why the fuck would I report my elderly grandmother?

Why would people on here want to report their family members, neighbours etc.

Why would anyone actually do something like this?

What is she claiming for fraudulently?

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