To suggest that all the people who know people who are definitely faking disability for benefits should report them.

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So many people post online about knowing a person or family, some apparently know multiple people who are lying to claim PIP or DLA for their children.
If you know this for a fact as us claimed then you should report them.

None of your post relates to
Definitely known fraud

Thats the point
If you definately know would you report it

Would you?

Yeah because most people claiming to “definitely know” fraud are just vindictive assholes. Read my previous comments about the stress one such person put me through when I was a young mum just trying to raise my kids.

People can go on about how they live in the assend of buttfuck town and how everyone commits fraud there all they want doesn’t change that 99% of reporters are doing it out of spite.
I mean seriously you think if someone was actually committing fraud they’d go around bragging about it?

Absolutely this! But on middle class mumsnet you are lying if you point this out!

Most of the uk are middle class and don’t live in the ass end of buttfuck, keep stressing out disabled people and mothers of young children just because someone online claims to live somewhere where “everyone is committing fraud”

PP was taking the piss 🙄

How very privileged you are indeed to not live or have been raised in “the ass end of buttfuck”.

Most of the uk are middle class

So, fuck those who aren’t and let them get on with it?

I work in an area where most people are 3rd, 4th and 5th generation unemployed…..the town was built as an overspill from a city…..it’s predominantly council properties…..and most kids leave school not even trying for work….it’s a viscous circle ….people aspire to be on disability benefits as it gives a better standard of living than basic UC

How privileged of you to have never been on the receiving end of a malicious report!!. Read my other comments a miserable bitch over twice my age reporting me for “fraud” because I got on with my kids dad. Telling all the other school parents I was committing fraud. Seriously she was old enough to be my mother I was 21 she was in her 40s. me and my kids could have been evicted not been able to pay my rent because of her.

This is what the majority of people claiming to “know” someone’s commiting fraud are like. Intefering bitter busybodies.

Apart from the real people that actually exist.

If someone is 100% certain of fraud they should report it.

I am sure dwp estimates are on the low side as fraud is one if the most popular crimes! but I also think that whilst we can compare to levels of fraud on other things so its probably higher than dpw thinks, we can also acknowledge that its more complicated to commit fraud with this than lots of other things as you need to involve medical professionals.

The thing that amazes me on mn, is how many posters know several people with a fraudulently claimed motability car, but how few members there are of the actual scheme across the uk, especially when you factor some use the scheme to buy a wheelchair. It doesnt fit.

Then don't moan about benefit scammers! Report or shush

You responded but didn't answer the question

Would you report fraud if you definitely knew of a persons guilt ?

If not I assume you are fine with people committing fraud ?!

In which case would you report other types of criminals if you definitely knew about their guilt ?

( once again your personal case is not relevant as your accuser didn’t definitely know you were committing fraud. )

My question above relates to the thread title.

Interested as you’ve been wrongly accused yourself. But what if you knew ?

Of course they are, dear. This despite research evidencing that such families are exceedingly rare. They all live in the area where you work, that must be it.

Things is though, if you are the sort of person whose social circle contains numerous people who are all committing benefit fraud and/or tax evasion, chances are it takes one to know one. And you don't shit on your own doorstep.

Incidentally, the few people I know who are in receipt of disability benefits had to fight tooth and nail for months (in one case, years) to get the benefits they are definitely entitled to.

What is your bar for 'knowing'?

Ops thread title.

The question is irrelevant if someone was claiming fraudulently they wouldn’t be going around telling everyone like I said I’ve been there on the receiving end of a woman claiming she “knew” I was a fraudster it wasn’t pretty she told all the other parents in my child’s class too.
A guy I know was moaning to me that he “knew” his neighbour was pretending to be disabled I just think what a nosy c* ** you are to be practically spying on the poor woman

Well you never worked in an overspill town then have you my lovely ….cos these places are full of such families…..people were moved from cities en masse into council properties …..unemployment is huge ….and goes back several generations…..Google Kirkby …..Google skelmersdale….I work with these families day in, day out….so be as smug and sarcastic as you feel necessary🙄

Research is research. The Rowntree Foundation study was 13 years ago, but its findings were very clear, and it is impossible for hordes of such families to have suddenly materialised in 13 years - because that is less than a single generation.

Evidence, not anecdote.

Not good enough. Lots of people who report maliciously 'know definitely'. But they have not seen medical reports, bank statements or any other evidence. And that has to be the bar, because persecuting innocent people is not acceptable. You are very naive about what happens to people who are falsely reported. Either that, or you think it is OK for legitimate claimants to have their money cut off for no good reason, with all the inevitable consequences.

99% of the uk isn’t like that though, 99% of people claiming benefits are legit, stop pushing the idea fraud is widespread just because you worked in dumpsville. Seriously it could ruin lives. Think about it there are families with children who need uc to pay their rent. Nosy busybodies are causing intense stress to people trying to get on with their lives. Read my previous comments I’ve been on the receiving end of it it’s horrible

It’s actually the question of the thread which you’ve been on a long time
and
as people have posted on this thread ( inc @Cat1504 just above) it is clear people do admit to it

I see you don’t really want to answer
So at a guess it’s a no

Hmm, one I know still got away with it after being investigated. Nobody dares ask her fuck all because she plays on the dead husband (who she was leaving anyway)

99%? Have you got a link to that stat, certainly not the case here. Maybe I live in a skewed area

I have a very hard time believing there’s a sizeable amount of people going around bragging they’re committing fraud, the numbers of busy bodies poking their nose in other people’s business making false accusations spreading rumours I guarantee is a lot higher. And unless you really do have 100% proof don’t report someone especially someone with children with rent to pay.

and before someone hits me with the “but I live in shitsville and EVERYONE here is falsely claiming” I don’t give af, 99% of the uk isn’t like that so stop using it to spread ideas that could ruin someone’s life