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To suggest that all the people who know people who are definitely faking disability for benefits should report them.

226 replies

Mokeytree · 03/12/2025 16:05

So many people post online about knowing a person or family, some apparently know multiple people who are lying to claim PIP or DLA for their children.
If you know this for a fact as us claimed then you should report them.

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Plantatreetoday · 03/12/2025 19:46

Kettlepotkettle · 03/12/2025 19:34

No I haven’t and sure I can believe there are some places like that 99% of the uk isn’t. Genuinely I can’t get too worked up by someone living in an obscure poor place doing such a thing doubt it has too much effect on the economy.

What I can get worked up about is the 99% of benefit fraud reporters who are just paranoid or spiteful. What were you doing when you were 21? Dealing with some miserable bitch twice your age with a vendetta trying to get you and your kids evicted and spreading rumours because she couldn’t comprehend someone actually gets on with their child’s father?

And now picking on disabled people.

None of your post relates to
Definitely known fraud

Thats the point
If you definately know would you report it

Would you?

To suggest that all the people who know people who are definitely faking disability for benefits should report them.
Kettlepotkettle · 03/12/2025 19:54

Plantatreetoday · 03/12/2025 19:46

None of your post relates to
Definitely known fraud

Thats the point
If you definately know would you report it

Would you?

Yeah because most people claiming to “definitely know” fraud are just vindictive assholes. Read my previous comments about the stress one such person put me through when I was a young mum just trying to raise my kids.

People can go on about how they live in the assend of buttfuck town and how everyone commits fraud there all they want doesn’t change that 99% of reporters are doing it out of spite.
I mean seriously you think if someone was actually committing fraud they’d go around bragging about it?

Themagicfarawaytreeismyfav · 03/12/2025 19:58

Vivi0 · 03/12/2025 19:10

I grew up in a very deprived area in the UK and it was rife. Entire families who had been on benefits for generations.

It is not how I would ever choose to live, but it is very much a choice.

The children born into these families don’t stand a chance. They grow to repeat the same cycle of claiming benefits as it’s all they know.

I don’t know what anyone gets out of denying this goes on. It needs to be acknowledged, and it needs to be tackled, because otherwise we are just condemning the next generation of children in these communities to a future of limited prospects, opportunities and Government handouts.

Absolutely this! But on middle class mumsnet you are lying if you point this out!

Kettlepotkettle · 03/12/2025 20:00

Themagicfarawaytreeismyfav · 03/12/2025 19:58

Absolutely this! But on middle class mumsnet you are lying if you point this out!

Most of the uk are middle class and don’t live in the ass end of buttfuck, keep stressing out disabled people and mothers of young children just because someone online claims to live somewhere where “everyone is committing fraud”

Cat1504 · 03/12/2025 20:02

SunMoonandChocolate · 03/12/2025 17:06

What absolute BOLLOCKS!!

You clearly don't have a clue about PIP, 'wossupthen', unless you were being sarcastic, which I'm not sure about? If you weren't being sarcastic, then let me educate you. You DO NOT get a FREE car!! Depending on the car you chose, many people have to pay an up front payment, on my last car this was £4,000. I hand over ALL of the 'higher rate mobility component' of my PIP payment each month towards my car. I could chose not to have a Motability car, and it would save me a lot of money which I could spend on food, heating, or even a holiday, if I could physically manage to have one, but instead I chose to spend this part of my benefit on a car, which needs to be the right height for me to get into without causing me severe pain, and is comfortable enough not to exacerbate my condition, in order that on the odd days when I'm not in absolute agony, and stuck at home in bed, I can actually pretend that I'm an able bodied person like you, and go out to see the world for an hour or two! When I'm not well enough to use it myself, my husband is allowed to use it, to go shopping, and do other tasks for ME that I can't do myself.

PP was taking the piss 🙄

Vivi0 · 03/12/2025 20:04

Kettlepotkettle · 03/12/2025 20:00

Most of the uk are middle class and don’t live in the ass end of buttfuck, keep stressing out disabled people and mothers of young children just because someone online claims to live somewhere where “everyone is committing fraud”

How very privileged you are indeed to not live or have been raised in “the ass end of buttfuck”.

Most of the uk are middle class

So, fuck those who aren’t and let them get on with it?

Cat1504 · 03/12/2025 20:07

Vivi0 · 03/12/2025 19:10

I grew up in a very deprived area in the UK and it was rife. Entire families who had been on benefits for generations.

It is not how I would ever choose to live, but it is very much a choice.

The children born into these families don’t stand a chance. They grow to repeat the same cycle of claiming benefits as it’s all they know.

I don’t know what anyone gets out of denying this goes on. It needs to be acknowledged, and it needs to be tackled, because otherwise we are just condemning the next generation of children in these communities to a future of limited prospects, opportunities and Government handouts.

I work in an area where most people are 3rd, 4th and 5th generation unemployed…..the town was built as an overspill from a city…..it’s predominantly council properties…..and most kids leave school not even trying for work….it’s a viscous circle ….people aspire to be on disability benefits as it gives a better standard of living than basic UC

Kettlepotkettle · 03/12/2025 20:10

Vivi0 · 03/12/2025 20:04

How very privileged you are indeed to not live or have been raised in “the ass end of buttfuck”.

Most of the uk are middle class

So, fuck those who aren’t and let them get on with it?

How privileged of you to have never been on the receiving end of a malicious report!!. Read my other comments a miserable bitch over twice my age reporting me for “fraud” because I got on with my kids dad. Telling all the other school parents I was committing fraud. Seriously she was old enough to be my mother I was 21 she was in her 40s. me and my kids could have been evicted not been able to pay my rent because of her.

This is what the majority of people claiming to “know” someone’s commiting fraud are like. Intefering bitter busybodies.

CheekyChickenFucker · 03/12/2025 20:14

KaleidoscopeSmile · 03/12/2025 16:55

Where?

Almost every single person has agreed with OP

Apart from the real people that actually exist.

Fearfulsaints · 03/12/2025 20:25

If someone is 100% certain of fraud they should report it.

I am sure dwp estimates are on the low side as fraud is one if the most popular crimes! but I also think that whilst we can compare to levels of fraud on other things so its probably higher than dpw thinks, we can also acknowledge that its more complicated to commit fraud with this than lots of other things as you need to involve medical professionals.

The thing that amazes me on mn, is how many posters know several people with a fraudulently claimed motability car, but how few members there are of the actual scheme across the uk, especially when you factor some use the scheme to buy a wheelchair. It doesnt fit.

Twilight7777 · 03/12/2025 20:31

Bridesmaidorexfriend · 03/12/2025 17:06

I’m not reporting the people I know because it’s none of ny business. And I wouldn’t blow up the lives of their children. Doesn’t mean they’re not committing benefit fraud if that’s the point you’re trying to make

Then don't moan about benefit scammers! Report or shush

Plantatreetoday · 03/12/2025 20:42

Kettlepotkettle · 03/12/2025 19:54

Yeah because most people claiming to “definitely know” fraud are just vindictive assholes. Read my previous comments about the stress one such person put me through when I was a young mum just trying to raise my kids.

People can go on about how they live in the assend of buttfuck town and how everyone commits fraud there all they want doesn’t change that 99% of reporters are doing it out of spite.
I mean seriously you think if someone was actually committing fraud they’d go around bragging about it?

You responded but didn't answer the question

Would you report fraud if you definitely knew of a persons guilt ?

If not I assume you are fine with people committing fraud ?!

In which case would you report other types of criminals if you definitely knew about their guilt ?

( once again your personal case is not relevant as your accuser didn’t definitely know you were committing fraud. )

My question above relates to the thread title.

Interested as you’ve been wrongly accused yourself. But what if you knew ?

pointythings · 03/12/2025 20:43

Cat1504 · 03/12/2025 20:07

I work in an area where most people are 3rd, 4th and 5th generation unemployed…..the town was built as an overspill from a city…..it’s predominantly council properties…..and most kids leave school not even trying for work….it’s a viscous circle ….people aspire to be on disability benefits as it gives a better standard of living than basic UC

Of course they are, dear. This despite research evidencing that such families are exceedingly rare. They all live in the area where you work, that must be it.

RescueMeFromThisSilliness · 03/12/2025 20:43

Plantatreetoday · 03/12/2025 16:49

Surely if you know or highly suspect someone is committing fraud you should report it
Much the same as any other crime

Things is though, if you are the sort of person whose social circle contains numerous people who are all committing benefit fraud and/or tax evasion, chances are it takes one to know one. And you don't shit on your own doorstep.

Incidentally, the few people I know who are in receipt of disability benefits had to fight tooth and nail for months (in one case, years) to get the benefits they are definitely entitled to.

pointythings · 03/12/2025 20:44

Plantatreetoday · 03/12/2025 20:42

You responded but didn't answer the question

Would you report fraud if you definitely knew of a persons guilt ?

If not I assume you are fine with people committing fraud ?!

In which case would you report other types of criminals if you definitely knew about their guilt ?

( once again your personal case is not relevant as your accuser didn’t definitely know you were committing fraud. )

My question above relates to the thread title.

Interested as you’ve been wrongly accused yourself. But what if you knew ?

What is your bar for 'knowing'?

Plantatreetoday · 03/12/2025 20:45

pointythings · 03/12/2025 20:44

What is your bar for 'knowing'?

Ops thread title.

Kettlepotkettle · 03/12/2025 20:51

Plantatreetoday · 03/12/2025 20:42

You responded but didn't answer the question

Would you report fraud if you definitely knew of a persons guilt ?

If not I assume you are fine with people committing fraud ?!

In which case would you report other types of criminals if you definitely knew about their guilt ?

( once again your personal case is not relevant as your accuser didn’t definitely know you were committing fraud. )

My question above relates to the thread title.

Interested as you’ve been wrongly accused yourself. But what if you knew ?

The question is irrelevant if someone was claiming fraudulently they wouldn’t be going around telling everyone like I said I’ve been there on the receiving end of a woman claiming she “knew” I was a fraudster it wasn’t pretty she told all the other parents in my child’s class too.
A guy I know was moaning to me that he “knew” his neighbour was pretending to be disabled I just think what a nosy c* ** you are to be practically spying on the poor woman

Cat1504 · 03/12/2025 20:51

pointythings · 03/12/2025 20:43

Of course they are, dear. This despite research evidencing that such families are exceedingly rare. They all live in the area where you work, that must be it.

Well you never worked in an overspill town then have you my lovely ….cos these places are full of such families…..people were moved from cities en masse into council properties …..unemployment is huge ….and goes back several generations…..Google Kirkby …..Google skelmersdale….I work with these families day in, day out….so be as smug and sarcastic as you feel necessary🙄

pointythings · 03/12/2025 21:02

Cat1504 · 03/12/2025 20:51

Well you never worked in an overspill town then have you my lovely ….cos these places are full of such families…..people were moved from cities en masse into council properties …..unemployment is huge ….and goes back several generations…..Google Kirkby …..Google skelmersdale….I work with these families day in, day out….so be as smug and sarcastic as you feel necessary🙄

Research is research. The Rowntree Foundation study was 13 years ago, but its findings were very clear, and it is impossible for hordes of such families to have suddenly materialised in 13 years - because that is less than a single generation.

Evidence, not anecdote.

pointythings · 03/12/2025 21:04

Plantatreetoday · 03/12/2025 20:45

Ops thread title.

Not good enough. Lots of people who report maliciously 'know definitely'. But they have not seen medical reports, bank statements or any other evidence. And that has to be the bar, because persecuting innocent people is not acceptable. You are very naive about what happens to people who are falsely reported. Either that, or you think it is OK for legitimate claimants to have their money cut off for no good reason, with all the inevitable consequences.

Kettlepotkettle · 03/12/2025 21:04

Cat1504 · 03/12/2025 20:51

Well you never worked in an overspill town then have you my lovely ….cos these places are full of such families…..people were moved from cities en masse into council properties …..unemployment is huge ….and goes back several generations…..Google Kirkby …..Google skelmersdale….I work with these families day in, day out….so be as smug and sarcastic as you feel necessary🙄

99% of the uk isn’t like that though, 99% of people claiming benefits are legit, stop pushing the idea fraud is widespread just because you worked in dumpsville. Seriously it could ruin lives. Think about it there are families with children who need uc to pay their rent. Nosy busybodies are causing intense stress to people trying to get on with their lives. Read my previous comments I’ve been on the receiving end of it it’s horrible

Plantatreetoday · 03/12/2025 21:05

Kettlepotkettle · 03/12/2025 20:51

The question is irrelevant if someone was claiming fraudulently they wouldn’t be going around telling everyone like I said I’ve been there on the receiving end of a woman claiming she “knew” I was a fraudster it wasn’t pretty she told all the other parents in my child’s class too.
A guy I know was moaning to me that he “knew” his neighbour was pretending to be disabled I just think what a nosy c* ** you are to be practically spying on the poor woman

Edited

It’s actually the question of the thread which you’ve been on a long time
and
as people have posted on this thread ( inc @Cat1504 just above) it is clear people do admit to it

I see you don’t really want to answer
So at a guess it’s a no

Fends · 03/12/2025 21:05

Hmm, one I know still got away with it after being investigated. Nobody dares ask her fuck all because she plays on the dead husband (who she was leaving anyway)

Fends · 03/12/2025 21:06

Kettlepotkettle · 03/12/2025 21:04

99% of the uk isn’t like that though, 99% of people claiming benefits are legit, stop pushing the idea fraud is widespread just because you worked in dumpsville. Seriously it could ruin lives. Think about it there are families with children who need uc to pay their rent. Nosy busybodies are causing intense stress to people trying to get on with their lives. Read my previous comments I’ve been on the receiving end of it it’s horrible

99%? Have you got a link to that stat, certainly not the case here. Maybe I live in a skewed area

Kettlepotkettle · 03/12/2025 21:12

Plantatreetoday · 03/12/2025 21:05

It’s actually the question of the thread which you’ve been on a long time
and
as people have posted on this thread ( inc @Cat1504 just above) it is clear people do admit to it

I see you don’t really want to answer
So at a guess it’s a no

I have a very hard time believing there’s a sizeable amount of people going around bragging they’re committing fraud, the numbers of busy bodies poking their nose in other people’s business making false accusations spreading rumours I guarantee is a lot higher. And unless you really do have 100% proof don’t report someone especially someone with children with rent to pay.

and before someone hits me with the “but I live in shitsville and EVERYONE here is falsely claiming” I don’t give af, 99% of the uk isn’t like that so stop using it to spread ideas that could ruin someone’s life