Girl Guides are now GIRL ONLY!

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Following April's supreme court ruling, the Girl Guides have FINALLY made a statement and will remain GIRLS ONLY - Finally closing the door on admitting trans members or allowing BOYS to invade female only spaces/camp (which, would be done without informing parents that their daughter would be sharing a room with a biological male!) - I have a previous post in feminism chat for anyone wanting to read the previous thread on this

EMAIL RECEIVED HOT OFF THE PRESS 5 MIN AGO -

As the parent of a young member in Girlguiding, following April’s Supreme Court decision relating to sex and gender, we wanted to give you an update. Many organisations across the country have been facing complex decisions about what it means for girls and women and for the wider communities affected, including us.

Girlguiding’s governing charity documents set out that the membership and people who benefit from our organisation are girls and women. In April, the Supreme Court ruled that girls and women are defined in the Equality Act 2010 by their biological sex at birth.
Following detailed considerations, expert legal advice and input from senior members, young members and our Council, Girlguiding’s Board of Trustees has made the difficult decision that Girlguiding must change Girlguiding must change, following the Supreme Court’s ruling.

From today, 2 December, it is with a heavy heart that we are announcing trans girls and young women will no longer be able to join Girlguiding. This is a decision we would have preferred not to make, and we know that this may be upsetting for members of our community.

There will be no immediate changes for current young members but more information will be shared next week.

Most adult roles, including unit helpers, district helpers and administrative support, are already open to all, so we are confident that no volunteers will have to leave the organisation.

Girlguiding believes strongly in our value of inclusion, and we will continue to support young people and adults in marginalised groups. Over the next few months, we'll explore opportunities to champion this value and actively support young people who need us.

You can find our full statement and updated policy on our website.

We are proud to be the UK’s largest youth organisation dedicated to girls and is focused on creating an equal world for girls and young women. For over 100 years, we have been a welcoming space for all girls to have new experiences, support their communities, build friendships and grow their confidence.

While Girlguiding may feel a little different going forward, these core aims and principles will always be the same. We remain committed to treating everyone with dignity and respect, particularly those from marginalised groups that have felt the biggest impact of this decision.

If you have any immediate questions, we have our special support team in place, to give volunteers, parents and carers the best support we can. We are asking Girlguiding HQ, trading and country/region staff to refer any volunteer or parent who has questions about this announcement. Details below.

Contact [email protected] or 020 7532 3970
All calls/emails will be confidential, and the service will be open 24hrs, 7 days a week.
Find out more, including how this team will handle personal data.

Denise Wilson (Chair of Trustees), Felicity Oswald (CEO) and Tracy Foster (Chief Guide)

I think it’s more weird to publicly admit, as an adult I’m presuming, that you don’t know basic biology (and what constitutes being a girl).

We're about two inches (hur hur) away from being told that only perverts want single sex changing rooms, because men who want to change around little girls are so sophisticated that they're not obsessed with genitals. They're obsessed with getting into the ladies' but that's just a sign of the sophistication.

“You think you have a monopoly on deciding who is and isn't a girl.”

Biology does that. I don’t believe people can arbitrarily decide who is and isn’t a girl when this is not confirmed by established biological science.

This is a very refreshing take, thank you.

You're so close to getting it!

Going back through the thread now and reading earlier posts.

Do you really think these adult men in GG are sleeping in the same dorm as the girls? Changing and showering with them? That's the difference.

It's also strange that what "baffles" you is the thought of a 4 year old boy causing harm, but not that this 4 year old boy has been groomed and brainwashed by his parents (who obviously have gender resentment and wanted a girl) to believe he was born 'in the wrong body' and that this is child abuse. What's sad and scary to me is that you weren't alarmed at that. It's like child abuse like this simply doesn't register with you.

No it didn't it said that what they believed the law makers to have meant when they wrote the act.

It would not surprise me if that happened.

We're about two inches (hur hur) away

Careful, you'll be accused of hurting men's feelings 😂

"No it didn't it said that what they believed the law makers to have meant when they wrote the act."

It clarified that the protected characteristic of sex meant biological sex, when the Equality act was written and ever since then - so, it's always meant biological sex and still does.

Many organisations still need to get their policies sorted out to reflect this.

Yep I’m pleased but the tone is very male centric

You can't tell boys from girls???

But Scouts voted some years back on the issue (1992, I think) - they had tried to broker a merger between Scouts and GG, but GG refused, ironically, because they and its members valued a girl-only space. Scouts then voted on whether to open membership to girls (it had always been open to girls from 15yo in the Venture scouts section I’ve learned) and it was passed.

Perhaps, at the time, they thought girls would flock to join, but in the end girls continue to join GG and mothers still value single sexed provision.

Maybe send them all off to ‘get their chromosomes checked’ lol…..

Does anyone know how many trans identifying members Girlguiding has?

Please don’t judge girlguiding leaders / members / girls with the trans ideology pushed by the girlguiding HQ

they really don’t reflect the majority

most of girl guiding, will be thrilled with this announcement today, and will have remained in guiding despite this trans issue because they believe in what guiding means for GIRLS

I think that many of us feel this way, Kleeneze. I suspect though that the poster who mentioned that they base their opinions on the people with transgender identities they know believes that no one of us know and love people with transgender identities while being able to prioritise female people’s needs based on robust safeguarding and the need to provide female people with the equitable solutions to achieve equality.

Oh come on...how many trans people do you actually know??

You mean exclude teenage boys.

It doesn't matter the number. Teenage girls need and deserve a space of their own, and for obvious privacy, and safeguarding, reasons, need to not have fully intact teenage boys sleeping in the dorm with them or changing with them. Even one (1), is one too many.

The email refers to conferring with "younger members". And since it seems the young ones are turning their backs on the trans fad, I presume that the young girls they spoke to said they preferred a female only space. As they are the ones with the experience of camping with girls only. Maybe not the dick-pandering adults though, who clearly forget what it was like being a teenage girl and would rather be on their knees sacrificing the needs and rights of girls, to get crumbs the male sex throws their way.

Great news, terrible statement. I've steered well clear of this lot for my DDs. Hope it comes as a huge relief to all members.

My genuine and sincere apologies. I realise now that it looks like am tarring everyone within GG with the same brush and I really am not.

I know what goes into running a troupe, I volunteered at my old one after I had left as I didnt fancy Rangers and saw how hard the leader volunteers work. Admittedly this was about a hundred years ago but they put in so much time and effort. The area leaders were great too (well apart from one hatchet faced bitch but she was a cow to everyone, although thinking back I can't help feeling that she would be have front and centre in the fight to keep boys out!).

Everything I said was aimed at HQ and those making these decisions. I am sorry if I offended.

Trans people are either MALE or FEMALE. We all know males. We all know females. A male is not less of a male because he wears a dress.

Most often, yes. But in the case of young children it is almost always because of clothing or hairstyle. But it is very difficult to guess the sex of very children that do not fit the "correct" attire/hairstyle. Unless you plan on looking at their genitals.

I didn't say anything about male and female? I asked how many trans people the poster knows?

This.

Their derision towards their one brief and the girls they are supposedly there for in the first place... no, I wouldn't want a daughter of mine picking up on those values. Those busy being so sad for boys need to go and work in male centred groups where their hearts lie, and leave resources for girls to those who can care about and centre girls, and do it gladly. Fgs, it's not hard to ask that those running single sex resources for girls actually care about girls and single sex resources. Unless they happened to go into that particular post with the intent of changing what 'girl' and 'single sex' meant, and steering it away from centering and meeting the needs of girls.

The pp wondering why Scouts aren't single sex any more - I believe they made the decision to go mixed sex as it was that or Scouting sadly would have closed through lack of members and volunteers.

Ironically those of us considered bigots probably know more trans individuals than they do. In fact, I am such an awful and unsympathetic bigot that even though my DD desisted last year (and now identifies as a non-binary trans masc woman 😵‍💫), her Canadian uni friend - a trans man friend - who came to stay during reading week was so comfortable in our home she is coming again over Christmas before I give them a lift to the airport to drive home.

And no, I don’t use female pronouns at her to rub her nose in my bigotry, I use her name.