Girl Guides are now GIRL ONLY!

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Following April's supreme court ruling, the Girl Guides have FINALLY made a statement and will remain GIRLS ONLY - Finally closing the door on admitting trans members or allowing BOYS to invade female only spaces/camp (which, would be done without informing parents that their daughter would be sharing a room with a biological male!) - I have a previous post in feminism chat for anyone wanting to read the previous thread on this

EMAIL RECEIVED HOT OFF THE PRESS 5 MIN AGO -

As the parent of a young member in Girlguiding, following April’s Supreme Court decision relating to sex and gender, we wanted to give you an update. Many organisations across the country have been facing complex decisions about what it means for girls and women and for the wider communities affected, including us.

Girlguiding’s governing charity documents set out that the membership and people who benefit from our organisation are girls and women. In April, the Supreme Court ruled that girls and women are defined in the Equality Act 2010 by their biological sex at birth.
Following detailed considerations, expert legal advice and input from senior members, young members and our Council, Girlguiding’s Board of Trustees has made the difficult decision that Girlguiding must change Girlguiding must change, following the Supreme Court’s ruling.

From today, 2 December, it is with a heavy heart that we are announcing trans girls and young women will no longer be able to join Girlguiding. This is a decision we would have preferred not to make, and we know that this may be upsetting for members of our community.

There will be no immediate changes for current young members but more information will be shared next week.

Most adult roles, including unit helpers, district helpers and administrative support, are already open to all, so we are confident that no volunteers will have to leave the organisation.

Girlguiding believes strongly in our value of inclusion, and we will continue to support young people and adults in marginalised groups. Over the next few months, we'll explore opportunities to champion this value and actively support young people who need us.

You can find our full statement and updated policy on our website.

We are proud to be the UK’s largest youth organisation dedicated to girls and is focused on creating an equal world for girls and young women. For over 100 years, we have been a welcoming space for all girls to have new experiences, support their communities, build friendships and grow their confidence.

While Girlguiding may feel a little different going forward, these core aims and principles will always be the same. We remain committed to treating everyone with dignity and respect, particularly those from marginalised groups that have felt the biggest impact of this decision.

If you have any immediate questions, we have our special support team in place, to give volunteers, parents and carers the best support we can. We are asking Girlguiding HQ, trading and country/region staff to refer any volunteer or parent who has questions about this announcement. Details below.

Contact [email protected] or 020 7532 3970
All calls/emails will be confidential, and the service will be open 24hrs, 7 days a week.
Find out more, including how this team will handle personal data.

Denise Wilson (Chair of Trustees), Felicity Oswald (CEO) and Tracy Foster (Chief Guide)

@user976534679875 I may have missed it, but what do you believe to be the purpose of a 'girls only' space?

Hilarious 🤣
the ‘boy scouts’

has been scouting (mixed sex) for decades !!!!

they had to open to girls to boost numbers / survive

GG has not had that problem - it seems females do value female only spaces … who’d thought !!!

😂😂😂😂

It’s Scouts, not Boy Scouts. Why should girls be banned? It doesn’t claim to be single sex.

Personally I don't have a problem with Boy Scouts being boys only. I think it should be. Boys also have a right to a boys-centred space. Not everything has to be or should be mixed sex space.

HRTFT but interested to note this

Following detailed considerations, expert legal advice and input from senior members, young members and our Council, Girlguiding’s Board of Trustees has made the difficult decision

that younger members had input on this decision too.

I came off Twitter a couple of years ago, so am out of the loop; does this suggest that the moment really has passed, that younger people as a group are also now moving to a more GC position? Or am I reading too much into it?

eta sorry, I didn’t mean to quote the whole OP.

It’s seems @puppymaddness is actually gender ideology maddness !!

It wasn't keeping the numbers as a boys only organisation; it was go mixed or collapse.

However, if someone wanted to start an activity group for boys only, the terfs wouldn't object.

They do but insufficient boys and adult volunteers were joining so it became mixed sex to survive. Perhaps males who want their own single sex organisation could set one up.

Frankly I don't know why Scouts and Cubs can't be an all-male organisation, without girls taking up spaces boys could have when they can go to Brownies and Guides! maybe boys don't want girls invading their space either! Such double standards!

"I want to get my knob out around little girls because I'm so sophisticated!"

Boy Scouts became Scouting because there was a decline in membership to historically low levels. They needed girls to bolster their numbers.

I would have spat my tea out if I was drinking any.

The tone and language used in that email actually makes my blood boil. How we ever got to this position in the first place is beyond me. Personally I have lost respect for Girlguiding. It's not a charity I could trust either.

We can only hope. I think there is evidence that the current cohort if youngsters think it’s a pile of push but unfortunately they are being taught by the captured generation.

I’m plessed to see this result. If something is supposed to be female only, then it should be. The same for changing rooms, swimming sessions and gyms, if that is how they are advertised.

Scouts is a different story. It been mixed sex for quite some time.

what a weird and creepy thing to say.

But you don't believe in 'girl only' spaces. You believe in spaces for girls plus any boy who is willing to say the magic words "I'm a girl now!".

His reasoning for believing he's really a girl will, of course vary, including:

• he likes 'girly' things or may be shorter/smaller than average, so by being a girl he can avoid being bullied by other boys
• he thinks he's attracted to boys, and he's frightened about being gay
• his parents have told him he behaves like a girl and so he might be one. (Rooted in their homophobia or advanced virtue-signalling)

A boy or man that likes to present as 'feminine' or likes 'feminine' things, is a gender non-conforming male. That is his true authentic self. He isn't, and can never be, a girl or a woman. His sex is, and always will be, male.

Being transgender is by definition about inauthenticity. They're trying to appear to be something they're not. And hoping others are ideally completely fooled, or, failing that, cowered/bullied into playing along. What a miserable way of living; continually fearing people discovering the truth.

The law is now very clear. If a public space is labelled women only, then all trans women must be excluded from it. Not because they're 'transgender', but because, under the Equality Act 2010, they're men.

I haven't read the entire thread so I may be repeating this.

I noticed that Emma Hilton (@ FondOfBeetles on Twitter/X) translated and summarised the press statement like this:

“Girl guiding is for girls. Yay girls.”

“In April, we were surprised and saddened to learn that girls are female.”

“It’s been eight months, but we really can’t find a workaround.” 😕

https://x.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1995921984794800522?s=20

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For those that don't know of her, Dr Emma Hilton is a developmental biologist at the University of Manchester and Chair of Sex Matters. She has written a great deal on the reasons why it is unfair for men to be included in the women's category of sports.

How disgusting they're children, I've seen several leaders already quit on the back of this,

I base my views on the trans people I do and they’re lovely. But I also base my views on the realities of life. 65% of women will be sexually assaulted at some point in life. At any age. 99% of the perpetrators of sexual assault in both sexes are men. Men are a threat to women. Men, men, men, men, men.

Trsnswomen are still men. And women deserve to have a space just for them in which they can feel safer. And all of my nice trans friends respect this 100% and would be horrified at the thought of ploughing into the women’s. Because they know they’re not women. As do I. And they know it’s horrendously disrespectful to real women to think their comfort is more important that women’s safety. Nice trans people are out there, but they sure as heck aren’t taking the sports team places / awards and entering the single sex spaces because they are decent people.

It’s not a double standard. Cubs and Scouts are genuinely mixed sex organisations rather than a single sex organisation that allows a self selecting subset of the opposite sex to join.

What's weird and creepy is thinking fully intact teenage boys (and they all are at that age) should be able to sleep in the dorm with teenage girls and change and shower in the same change room and showers as teenage girls.

You really haven't thought it through what you are advocating have you.

Whilst I am happy at the news the tone of it has made me think of less of them (if that were possible) not more.

They U turned because they had to and it disgusts me that an organisation that has had young women and girls at its very heart since its inception, were the very reason for its inception, is so fucking grudging because they have to refocus on those very girls instead of a tiny minority of boys invading their space.

I am so glad that none of mine showed any interest in the organisation as I wouldnt be happy to know that I had raised money for them.

They did immeasurable harm to their reputation when they embraced the trans bullshit, and with that statement they have doubled down!

So when it comes to gestating babies there is no difference between women and trans women? Is that what you are saying?