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My best friend of nearly 20 years and I have fallen out

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Mondura · 02/12/2025 14:04

a long one..

My friend and I have known each other for 17 years. We both live in the UK. We’ve had a wider friendship circle since our twenties when we met but ppl move away and their lives end up going in different directions so it's not a strong group of friends anymore. I’d say she’s been a constant, supportive presence in my life throughout these years and we’ve never fallen out until a couple of months ago. I’m not even sure how things got to this point. She is turning 40 soon (a few months before me) and together with a third friend we were trying to organise something to celebrate her birthday. We all had some ideas, put them in the group chat but she decided she just wanted something simple, like going away to a cottage, just the three of us, have a few drinks, dinner, stay a night or two and just chat, laugh relax, etc. Great, nothing complicated or so I thought. Our third friend and I suggested a country pub with rooms which we’ve both been very impressed by previously, it had other locations in the UK, great service, lovely atmosphere, we were very keen to make the most of it. Our third friend sent some links and she highlighted some of the rooms have two beds, she’ll try and find maybe a family room, but can’t see a cottage on the grounds with multiple rooms. Fine, nothing has been decided and I said I’m happy to take a separate room maybe next to them and don’t mind the extra cost if they prefer sharing the two-bed one. We’ve known each other for a long time, all three of us know that I can afford a bit more in life in general. It hasn’t always been the case, we worked hard for the money we have, run a business, take risks etc. that’s not to say, they are poor, they can both afford luxury holidays, meals out, lovely clothes etc, so none of these things have ever really been an issue. My friend, the birthday girl, didn’t reply to my suggestion to book two rooms, we were all in a rush to do things that morning anyway, we knew it wasn’t going to be finalised so just left it. She then sent another link to the chat a few days later with an Airbnb link for another, cheaper cottage. We all liked it, lovely place, location, great! I was going away a few days later but was keen to finalise something for my friend so we'd have it locked in the calendar and had this short getaway to look forward to so instead of packing and getting myself organised, I prioritised this trip and started my morning looking into booking this. I told them that I’m happy to advance the payment and they can just transfer it later, I just wanted to look through the listing again to make sure it’s all to our liking and needs and I’m ready to book it. My friend messaged back that it’s fine and if it’s ok if she transfers her share the following month. I said ok. Then I was looking for the room configuration on the listing which was a bit hard to figure out, but I found it and it was a cottage with two double bedrooms and a living room with a sofa (not pull out). I sent in a screenshot with the caption “this one only has two bedrooms”. This is where things kicked off. She seemed to have gotten really upset and replied that I should just find another one then. I didn’t reply as I sensed that she was upset. We generally text or call each other almost every day, often multiple times a day, so I can read between the lines, she was not happy. I said I can look for something else, but not until I come back from my upcoming trip a week later so we can park this for now if that’s what she wants. She then messaged again saying it’s best to cancel the whole thing, all of us have different needs, she doesn’t want to go away any more, just a simple dinner is fine. I didn’t reply, because I was busy getting myself ready, I was already short on sleep and had a lot to do, I didn’t want to engage in discussing it further. It was clear that the booking wasn’t going to go ahead then. So I didn’t respond, she then private messaged me and said the same thing that it’s best to not go ahead at all with the plans. It’s her call of course, but then I replied saying I don’t understand and I don’t think it’s fair to now just shut it all down when we’ve all planned so much and looked forward to this ( took forever to find dates that suited us all). We were ready to book and it sounded like the ‘everyone has different needs’ is aimed at me as if my needs were too much. I said I don’t mind looking for a bigger cottage and I’ll just pay the difference for the third room if that’s the issue as it’s no problem for me. I was very polite and I tried to come up with a solution though I didn’t really understand why she got so agitated so suddenly. She then became pretty abusive saying she knows I can afford it, I rub this under their noses all the time. Last time when our other friend sent a link, I also told them I can afford a separate room for myself and that’s it’s not cool and I should really have a think about how I communicate because I come across entitled. I was shocked and started crying. I was totally oblivious to this if it was the case and really I thought I'm just booking a trip for my best friend and doing my best to be flexible.I scrolled back in the messages to see if I was rude or what exactly I said but I genuinely just stated that I don’t mind going for an extra room for myself. She knows I’m an awful sleeper, I send her screenshots of my sleep stats often and we analyse it together, I usually need a dark, quiet room and although we have shared rooms and even bed together in the past, I’d rather pay for my comfort levels approaching our 40s if we can afford it. Clearly her main issue was not me wanting a separate room, but it was deeper than that. It just seems she never expressed these to me. I stopped responding. I saw her last message later on where she says I’ve been the one person who is closest to her in the past 20 years and that she loves me, sort of like a half-assed apology where she probably realised how overboard she went. But I just couldn’t continue writing anything after all this and I had a lot to do that day anyway. I shouldn't have started the day with this booking as I had a lot on. She then tried to ring me in the afternoon and again in the evening, but I was on the school run in the afternoon, then took a sedative for the night (I don't often do this), but I had to calm down somehow and it was important that I had a good night's sleep before an early start to my flight. Over a week went past and I didn't contact her. In fact I muted her chat and the other chat too, which had all three of us in originally as I just couldn't deal with the drama plus I was away with my daughter, I didn't really have time to myself to dive into this whole 'who said what and why' saga.I also didn't want this to ruin my time away with my daughter though it definitely overshadowed it. I cried a lot at night or when she couldn't see me. I also didn't really know what to write tbh. I don't often post on social media, so whenever I snap pictures of what I do, where I am, what I eat etc, I just send a few to some selected friends and my husband. So this friend would've in normal circumstances received a lot of pics from my trip away, but I just had such a block in me. She said I rub things under her nose, so I didn't want to send her a pic of us sitting at the airport lounge. On arrival we went out of dinner to a new spot she actually specifically talked about before. I didn't want to send pics of the food. What if we spent too much? Would that be rubbing it under her nose? Suddenly everything I did felt like I was in the wrong and I was no longer able to share my life with her, because who knows what else I'd done in the past which was too much for her to handle? So I basically just parked this whole thing in my mind to deal with later and tried to enjoy my time away. A few days after getting back home, she messaged me again asking if I cared to discuss what happened at all. I replied politely and told her that I don't really know what to say and it still hasn't settled enough in me plus I'm busy catching up on life and work after returning from my trip (which she knew the length of) She said we should meet in person to discuss, but I told her I genuinely don't have time to know go out in the evening for this as I've only just got back and my other daughter terribly missed me and I just generally have a lot on. She became very accusatory again especially about the fact that I didn't respond at all for nearly two weeks (she said two weeks, it was a week and a half) and somehow I ended up reading more of how I did something wrong and how bad she felt during this time and that I shouldn't have just disappeared like that. I tried not to take offence, but it seemed a bit harsh from someone who was trying to mend things. So I told her I felt bad too, I just couldn't bring myself dealing with what she said as I feel like I can't be myself with her anymore. We try to text now regularly, but it's somewhat forced. It feels very awkward and I don't enjoy sharing anything with her. We got our car stolen a few months back and we recently got a brand new, better car and she was very interested in it previously. The car arrived after our fall out and she casually asked what it's like to drive it. I told her I think it's best not to analyse it as the new car is too expensive and I don't want to rub anything under her nose. She then stopped replying for a few days. I reached out afterwards to meet in person finally in the hope that I'd feel differently about her or I don't really know what I expected really. We met and I don't think we discussed anything in more detail or better just because we were face to face. There was some crying, but mostly we just both tried to make the other one understand why we are hurt. We left, I texted her again the next day and we messaged since, but it's not the same. It's awful actually. I'm only texting out of some obligatory feeling. I lost a very good friend over such a stupid thing and I can't believe it's happening. We have a few things in the calendar lined up, which we haven't discussed. We take turns spending Christmas lunch at each others every year and it's their turn to host this year. We have shows booked and our children are similar ages, they are good friends and we always maintained that they see each other regularly. I think she wants the friendship to continue, but something has broken between us and I guess I can keep going like this; in a forced, uncomfortable manner but I'm looking for advice on how to get past it and feel free and comfortable again spending time with her. Right now I always just feel like any moment I can say or do something that constitutes entitled and will cross her boundaries over what is or isn't allowed. If she wasn't important to me, I could just let this all go, but I'm really struggling to let my hurt and anger, but mostly sadness go away so we can just be happy friends again planning our next adventure.

OP posts:
BerryTwister · 02/12/2025 17:26

NewCushions · 02/12/2025 14:53

OP, I made it through that entire post. This is going to be hard to hear but basically, I think you have behaved quite badly.

Even BEFORE your friend said that yo uare always banging on about money, I was getting that sense. You also do seem to want to control what happens.

Then she challenges you, and instead of listening to what she says, you start crying and then sulk for 10 days and refuse to engage. Then, you refruse to see her to try and sort it out becuase your'e still trying to "process" and then, once everything is sort of swept under the carpet, you then go in with a passive aggressive dig about the car and how you didn't want to say anything in case it looked like you were being too ostentatious.

At BESt, you are masssively lacking in self awareness. At worst, if you combine that with your lack of accountability and inability to see anyone else's perspective, combined with the little digs designed to make your friend more upset, I have to say you have some significant narcissistic personality traits.

this is what I thought

TheAutumnCrow · 02/12/2025 17:29

Is anyone else surprised at how many fabulously wealthy, successful business owners who appear on MN seem unable to string a piece of writing together, or manage a summary?

P.s. better buy your own goose this year, OP. At least you’ve already cooked it.

AspiringChatBot · 02/12/2025 17:29

You’ve said this friendship is really important to you, and it seems like she feels the same. She has contacted you, asked to talk, and hasn’t blocked/withdrawn from you. It doesn’t sound like either of you did anything seriously wrong; it reads more like a misunderstanding - based on unclear communication on both sides and differences in perception - that hit a sore spot for her that you didn't;t even know was there. Your "it’s two bedrooms" comment might have seemed unnecessary and even aggressive to her (although natural and logical to you). Her reaction was OTT and understandably hurtful to you, but it also sounds like it came from a mix of stress and some insecurities (even resentments) that had been building up for a while.

In your position, I’d think about what you need in order to feel comfortable rebuilding the friendship. What would help you move forward without feeling like you’re walking on eggshells? If you’re not ready for a full conversation yet, tell her that the friendship still matters a lot to you and you just need a bit more time to settle your feelings. If you are ready, then perhaps you invite her for a calm, honest, face-to-face (if possible) chat with the clear, stated goal of moving past rehashing/accusations to start laying the groundwork to make sure you both communicate better and understand each other better going forward.

Flinderskleepers · 02/12/2025 17:31

BORRRRRIIINNNGGG

🥱

MadisonMarieParksValetta · 02/12/2025 17:32

I read it all. Wasn't that hard really was it guys? But anyway...

I think you are more in the wrong here. The ghosting was shit from you. It seems like you are making a huge deal out of all of this.

You have been friends for so long. Kids are friends etc. Spending Christmas together. She sounds like family.

Let this one go. Life's too short.

TidyCyan · 02/12/2025 17:33

TheAutumnCrow · 02/12/2025 17:29

Is anyone else surprised at how many fabulously wealthy, successful business owners who appear on MN seem unable to string a piece of writing together, or manage a summary?

P.s. better buy your own goose this year, OP. At least you’ve already cooked it.

Surprising, as they are supposed to be soooo busy working really really hard and making sacrifices. What are the sacrifices? Nobody knows.

heartofsunshine · 02/12/2025 17:33

I think that she has broken your relationship and it won't be the same, as you know she is judging you all the time. And not you are worried and judging her back. Let it go. Sorry OP, this is not common at your age imo.

Energing · 02/12/2025 17:33

I read it fine. I didn’t know so many people had literacy issues on here.

OnlyLittleOldMe · 02/12/2025 17:34

I think you have both made a mountain out of a molehill. Or, she has been secretly envious of your lifestyle and you have been blissfully ignorant of showing it off. Neither is wrong, both are super sensitive over something that shouldn't be important if you had always acknowledged each others differences and supported each other in those situations. It sounds to me you both have a problem re lack of honest communication for fear of upsetting the other. Maybe time to move on if neither of you can see the others point of view and compromise.

Howwilliknow122 · 02/12/2025 17:34

nomas · 02/12/2025 15:16

Then I was looking for the room configuration on the listing which was a bit hard to figure out, but I found it and it was a cottage with two double bedrooms and a living room with a sofa (not pull out). I sent in a screenshot with the caption “this one only has two bedrooms”. This is where things kicked off.

This is where you messed up, OP. Your two friends were clearly OK with sharing a room, so why didn't you just ask if you could have the second bedroom to yourself? Attaching a screenshot with an abrupt statement is of course going to upset them.

The car arrived after our fall out and she casually asked what it's like to drive it. I told her I think it's best not to analyse it as the new car is too expensive and I don't want to rub anything under her nose. She then stopped replying for a few days.

I would not want to be friends with anyone who talked like that to me, that's just nasty.

Op, unfortunately I really have to agree with this post. What stopped you from just saying is it ok if I have a room to myself? Or even at worse if you shared a room for a couple of nights, is it really that serious, because you say you take a sleeping pill anyway? And the comment about the car .. that was awful of you. I think her taking an interest in the car shows shes happy for you regardless but I think you've proven her case that you talk in a way that is most definitely rubbing her nose in it. I also think ignoring her calls is horrible, shes trying to sort this out with you, I really urge you to make an effort and make up. I hope you both sort this out.

Somethingneedstochange78 · 02/12/2025 17:36

It didn’t need to be an essay.

MowingMachine · 02/12/2025 17:36

Somethingneedstochange78 · 02/12/2025 17:36

It didn’t need to be an essay.

I do wonder what OP's WhatsApp messages are like...

Energing · 02/12/2025 17:38

OP, I thought your friend was wrong initially but you giving the silent treatment and blocking her must have been really difficult for her. And the spiteful comment about the car was unnecessary.

It sounds like you are going have to let it go and not bear a grudge.

Whilst I do think the OP has been far from perfect, the spiteful comments on here are quite uncomfortable to read, whether it’s about the formatting or the content. I don’t think people realise how unpleasant they come across. Or maybe they do and don’t care.

MissJeanBrodiesmother · 02/12/2025 17:39

I think you were a bit daft to refuse to engage with her after the initial fall out. She tried to contact you but you were basically sulking. You have made this bigger than it needed to be and you're right it really wasn't worth losing a good, longstanding friend over.

AquaForce · 02/12/2025 17:43

I said I’m happy to take a separate room maybe next to them and don’t mind the extra cost* if they prefer sharing the two-bed one.

All three of us know that I can afford a bit more in life in general. *

Replied that I should just find another one then. I didn’t reply *as I sensed that she was upset.

I said I don’t mind looking for a bigger cottage and I’ll just pay the difference for the third room......it’s no problem for me*.

She then became pretty abusive saying she knows I can afford it*, I rub this under their noses all the time.

Last time when our other friend sent a link, I also told them I can afford a separate room* for myself

I stopped responding.*
Again...

Over a week went past and I didn't contact her. In fact I muted her chat and the other chat too*
Yep, that'll teach her.....

It's best not to analyse it as the new car is too expensive *and I don't want to rub anything under her nose.
You just did. Read this back.

Kindly OP, can you really not see how all this looks from their perspective?

There isn't anything wrong in getting a room for yourself. It's the constant referencing of your ability to spend more money than them. Why do they even know this? Assuming they haven't hacked your bank account, it was you that gave them this information. Why? It's non of their business.

You'll be lucky to salvage this. As others have said, she repeatedly tried to reach out and you ignored her too many times. How many attempts would you make with someone who is unresponsive?

I think you need to visit your local artisan bakery (we know you can afford it) and get some humble pie.

Lastfroginthebox · 02/12/2025 17:45

Energing · 02/12/2025 17:33

I read it fine. I didn’t know so many people had literacy issues on here.

I read it all but it was so long-winded it was hard to digest. I think most of the commenters are perfectly literate. They'd just have preferred a better written, more succinct OP.

Catsbooks345 · 02/12/2025 17:45

ExtraOnions · 02/12/2025 14:20

What a load of fuss about nothing.

essentially ..

You were going for a weekend away, it all got complicated due to dates / location. She found somewhere she liked (eventually) you said it wasn’t suitable, she got fustrated .. suggested you find a different one.. you ignored that message.. when you do eventually reply you said you will look for something when you get back in a weeks time.. after that she said “let’s just cancel the whole thing” (I would probably have done the same)

I think you made it worse by essentially ghosting her for 2 weeks.

Don’t keep saying that you can “pay more” .. I’ve got more income than people I go away with, I never mention that I can afford “better” that the level they have chosen. I make a real effort to not come over as “lady bountiful” - maybe you do make it sound a bit “I’m considerably better off than you”

She tried several times to get in touch and build bridges .. you turned them all down, with a list of fairly weak excuses.

Look, you can do one of two things .. you can think “you know what, we couid both have done better, let’s learn and move on” or you can say “nope, it’s all gone to far, I’m done” .. it’s up to you.

You are not blameless in all this.

This last part is great advice. Id go with something simple, 'i think that got out of hand, we both had other stuff going on, can we forget it?'

AhBiscuits · 02/12/2025 17:45

I told her I think it's best not to analyse it as the new car is too expensive and I don't want to rub anything under her nose.

There was just no need for this comment, do you want to be friends or not?

LAMPS1 · 02/12/2025 17:47

I read it all.
My thought is that you would have been far better, right from the very beginning, saying that you were so looking forward to going away with them both, but for x y and z reasons, you need your own room. Instead of making it about being able to afford it (as if they couldn’t)
If you could bring yourself to take full accountability for that omission, you might feel better about things and be able to move on and get back to enjoying your relationship with her.

CarpeVitam · 02/12/2025 17:49

Sorry OP but you do sound ‘hard work’

PrincessofWells · 02/12/2025 17:52

You need to get over yourself and try very hard to make it up to your friend. Are you really willing to throw away 20 years of friendship because of your ego and stubbornness. Good friends don't come along very often.

BauhausOfEliott · 02/12/2025 17:53

She knows I’m an awful sleeper, I send her screenshots of my sleep stats often and we analyse it together

I bet that's scintillating for her.

There's so much unnecessary detail in your post that I'm going to go with YABU because if this is how you communicate in real life, you must be very, very hard work.

The car arrived after our fall out and she casually asked what it's like to drive it. I told her I think it's best not to analyse it as the new car is too expensive and I don't want to rub anything under her nose

Yeah, that was a dick move. I'm Team Friend.

dapsnotplimsolls · 02/12/2025 17:54

You shouldn't have ignored her for so long. Honestly, if you both want to salvage this, consider counselling - it sounds like you need a third party to mediate.

Franpie · 02/12/2025 17:54

Ok, so this is how I read it:

  1. You mentioned too many times how you are more than happy to pay more than either of the other 2 as you can afford it. - There was no need to do that. They know you can afford it, it doesn’t need to be said. That’s what she means when she says you’re rubbing her nose in it.

  2. You then buried your head in the sand and muted the chats because you felt affronted and so the whole thing festered. - I find if there is any misunderstanding or angst between friends then it needs to be nipped in the bud quickly.

  3. You are still offended and not willing to look at or take responsibility for how you perhaps have handled things badly. - No one cares if you talk about your new car, or your holiday. It is the talking explicitly about money and affordability that’s the impolite, clumsy thing you’ve done. Nothing else.

Ultimately it’s a storm in a teacup that has been allowed to fester. You need to accept that you were clumsy with the “I’ll pay more as I can afford it” thing and move on. You also need to apologise for just going off-grid when you felt offended. That’s not the way good adult friends behave.

MowingMachine · 02/12/2025 17:56

I'll just say this, OP. It has stood me in good stead:

Make new friends, but keep the old
For one is silver, and the other gold