Working families £18k worse off than benefits claimants after budget

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This is madness. Can the last taxpayer in the UK please close the door behind them.

www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/households-on-handouts-to-be-18-000-better-off-than-families-on-modest-wages/ar-AA1RqxlQ

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Have you read the full details of the non-existent family this exemplar is based on?

Plenty of families on UC are also working families.

YANBU but you won’t get any sympathy on here.

We’ll all be worse off because there is no strategy for growth or investment or business.

When everyone loses their jobs because Labour’s moronic tax-anything-that-moves policy means that businesses go down the pan or start laying people off, it might eventually dawn on them where all the money for generous benefits and the NHS etc actually originates from. Yes evil capitalism.

So it would make sense to make us a prosperous trading nation. But no. This is Labour. Spend spend spend. Trillions and billions in more debt to potentially hostile nations who have us by the short and curlies.

Hmm...partly agree

I think a higher wealth tax would be reasonable. But yes, over-taxing moderate and middle earners is not the way to go.

You have misread that. Benefits households being 18k better off doesn't mean working households are 18k worse off.

I believe working households on average wage with DC were supposed to be 1k worse off.

I'm not saying this is good or right, but be educated about this if you want a debate.

The family taking home £28k may be entitled to benefits if they had rent in an expensive area and childcare costs.

But the figures are nonsense based on random examples anyway so impossible to say.

Only ~25–30% of two-child cap families qualify for full uncapped UC; most remain under £22k/year overall cap.

I think this is important. The Centre For Social Justice are a conservative think tank so will present it one way, left wing think tanks will obviously emphasise the positives. That's why it's crucial to try & read all perspectives.

I do have issues with the government's plan but imo the picture not as bad as the CSJ are making it out to be

I presume you agree with the 2 child benefit cap?

This is the Daily Fail.

What they seem to have conveniently forgotten is that if you lose your job and apply for Universal Credit, you have to prove to them you are spending 35 hours a week looking for a job. Tbey will also make you go on courses. The exception is if they have deemed through an incredibly rigiourous process of form-filling, supplying reams of hospital letter and other documents and then going through a gruelling healith assessment that you are too unwell or too disabled to work.

I think it is outrageous tbat wages are so lour of step with costs that people in full time work still need UC.

I think the £18k includes PIP. A very disabled person who gets the full amount received just under £10k per year. THIS IS NOT MEANS TESTED. It is supposed to go some way towards meeting the extra costs of being disabled. There are people with get the £10K who are in full time work earning a fortune.

Go on benefits then! Be stupid not to, surely?

Except you wont because saying people on benefits are better off than workers on moderate wages is crap.

We have a three child household, and earn just a bit too much to claim.

Yes we struggle.

No, I dont begrudge a household earning less than us to claim a bit to top up low wages.

This is what the vast majority of uc claimants claim for. To be able to go to work and fill all the lower paid positions, you know, shop workers,.cleaners, teaching assistants and the like. Orange they should just get their pittance for working and then go home to a tent? Would that suit better?

Good golly, how gullible some are to keep going on about ridiculous cases dredged up to keep us attacking each other while the billionaires get richer.

Would you like me to fetch you some water? Your metaphorical pants are on fire.

Lol most families on UC are not receiving £15-17k of housing element per year for a start. Also every single one of their random examples on their little graph includes payments for LCWRA and PIP. Which means at least one of the adults in the household is classed as having a disability or long term health condition so receive payments for that. What a thing to be bitter about eh. Anything to stir up the mouth frothers.

Three kids all on top rate DLA, with (for two years) x2 non-working parents who miraculously live in rented social housing in a certain London postcode paying rent that ties in exactly with the maximum LHA.

I’m not sure what anyone expected after voting Labour. And yes I’ll be closing the door firmly.

Do people not realise disability benefits are not means tested?

Oh I wouldn't be so sure about that. The benefit bashing on here has been relentless for days.

It seems not.
It is also silly to compare a non-working household that claim benefits for disabilities with a working household where no one is disabled. Apples and oranges.

I’m claiming UC currently as I lost my job
£400 a month doesn’t go far paying bills

Why are we paying rent for people but not mortgages. Honest question.

Good point about the LCWRA. It is around £5k/year. It a UC top up for those who are too sick or disabled to work. It is very hard to get.

@Whywhywhyyyy because the owners end up with an asset.

We shouldn’t spend all that benefit money on housing & build more social housing but that’s a separate point.