AIBU that now is the time for us to get behind Kemi?

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Rachel Reeves has broken her promise that new taxes would not be levied on working people. She hasn’t followed through with her promise to prioritise growth. She failed to deliver welfare reform. It is clear that the current government is now led by the newly elected backbenchers. Labour are punishing those of us who work and save, taxing our pensions and making life more expensive for working families. She is making it more difficult for employers to hire staff and graduates in particular are suffering from a lack of opportunity due to her policies.

Keir Starmer failed to get any support for welfare reform from his backbenchers and is coasting politically.

Both Rachel and Keir have shown that political survival means more to them than delivering a budget that grows the economy and helps those of us who work hard and aspire for more. I feel that they hate people like me and my family- we are professionals on two good wages with children, not rich, middle class, trying to improve our lives, prepare for our futures while trying to pay the bills. There is literally nothing in this budget which would help people like me, only punishment (or a ‘contribution’ as Rachel Reeves described it in her budget speech).

Yes, the tories screwed up massively under Boris and Truss. But everything that Kemi is saying about the autumn budget is spot on. Kemi also stood up for women at a time when Labour was gaslighting women across the country in relation to trans issues.

The conservatives have a huge amount of work to do to rebuild trust and develop their policies. But if they don’t gain public support we are risking the chaos of a Reform government. AIBU to say that now is the time to get behind Kemi?

Bit of a dog whistle?

Tories were doing very well summer 2021. Then partygate came and it all went to shit.

This is true! BJ and his work partys and posh wallpaper selection was their demise.

@ridl14 not sure who you think I'm calling to.. sadly , through my brother I've encountered a lot of people who abuse different drugs and aggression and hostility are significant indicators of drug use and abuse.

I quite liked rishi

Cummings is / was an effective campaigner

No. Way. In. Hell.

Who do you back?

It is if you actually stand for something. Unlike this current Labour govt.

@larkstar Did you miss the point at which she lied to the house and to the electorate? How many northern European examples of that can you find?

Labour are a disaster for the Uk. The sooner people understand that the better. Although when there’s £70k tax free coming into one’s account, without needing to work, I imagine one doesn’t understand.. until the money stops of course. Which it will.

HAHAHAHA NO.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/income/families-benefits-better-off-earning-70k-london/
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If someone is getting 70k in benefits, a good chunk of that will be going to a landlord, I would imagine. There is still a benefit cap in place and a LHA limit.

The only exception would possibly be if there are several disabled children in the household. In which case, I wouldn't begrudge them the money for a moment.

The clue there is the specification of London households. London, where rents are exorbitant.

‘The CSJ analysis assumed two parents aged 30, both unemployed for at least two years and with three children under 16, renting a two-bed council property on the World’s End Estate, an SW10 postcode.
Based on their estimated eligible rent, the calculations show the family would be eligible for £2,191 each month in Universal Credit, Council Tax Support and Child Benefit.

If they were paying £898 a month in social housing rent, rather than up to £3,000 if they were renting on the open market, the combined value of the discounted rent and cash benefits would be worth around £51,500 a year.

If the sole earner has student loans to pay, they would need to earn roughly £81,000 before their earnings matched the combined benefits and subsidies of the non-working household.’

@PandoraSocksbut it’s not about begrudging them. It’s about what it implies about society and its longevity - where’s the incentive to get off benefits if the reward isn’t there? Good government isn’t charity.

‘Britain’s growing welfare state bill is costing the average taxpayer £2,000-a-year, Telegraph analysis reveals.’

‘Telegraph analysis shows 6pc of the average salary goes towards paying for benefits, compared to 13pc of a high earner’s salary.

Someone earning £150,000, five times the average salary, contributes close to £19,000 towards the welfare state – more than nine times the contribution of someone on the average salary.’

I’m not a racist, lying, self interested Tory twat, so no thanks. Shouting at people in an aggro manner is not the sign of a good leader.

The World’s End Estate is in Chelsea. Hardly representative.

Representative of what?

Most of the welfare state bill goes on pensions and related benefits.

I suspect the next election will be a close run event. I predict that Reform, the tories and labour will be slugging it out, with the Greens and Lib Dems vying for supremacy in the agricultural fringes.

I'm nearly 70, so I get a state pension. But I realised more than 20 years ago that I/we would need more than 2 x 11.8K for a comfortable retirement, so we established a SIPP. Now we are nearly 70, we shall start taking out the money we've been saving for more than 25 years. We will still pay tax on what we take out and spend, at 20%. But the rent income (commercial, as SIPPs are not permitted to own residential property) will keep coming in and topping up the pot.