To think joke Chancellor Joke Budget joke Government

[Viviennemary]

Its absolutely scarey that this incompetent lot are running the country. Not as bad as Liz Truss but that's hardly a yardstick . Some old Labour. Squeeze the money out of the workers and give it away. They had a real chance to reform benefits they didn't. Now more handouts for folk with large families. While the rest of us pay.

Then they left a note saying there was no money left 🤦‍♀️

YABU.
Leave the grown ups to make the hard decisions and the toddlers to their whining Nigel.

Yes but that was following the global financial crash of 2008.

It's a time honoured 'joke' that the outgoing Chancellor leaves some kind of message like this. Here's another example -

Tory Chancellor Reginald Maudling left a note to Labour’s James Callaghan in 1964, reading, “Good luck, old cock … Sorry to leave it in such a mess.”

This subject has been covered a million times on MN and elsewhere.

Scraping the two child limit must be a joke? I’m not perfect got pregnant at 15 fave birth at 16 but 4+ kids by 4 different dads and expecting other peoples taxes to pay is surely taking the piss?
I mean seriously? Raising taxes for THIS?? I doubt many people will vote labour again

I don’t understand what’s so bad about it. I mean there’s nothing great in it either but seems pretty neutral to me.

This is at least the second thread you've posted this exact comment on.

@kornwall Thanks. I'll have a read.

Yeah because it’s a good point and a lot of people are thinking it

And if I’m feeling extra bored later i might make it into its own thread 😉

This budget frightens me more because they are not squeezing anyone - it’s extremely light touch and I do wonder how they will be able to support the health service with no extra money

No, they've paid TAX as NIC is just another tax. Many people claiming full state pension will have paid little or no NIC if they've been eligible for "credits" due to unemployment, caring, or part time work.

I am a Labour voter but one feeling seriously disillusioned by the current government. They have inherited a massive mess, there is no doubt. However, the majority is too large so the backbenchers are out of control. The big things that need doing are not being done, specifically welfare reform and civil service reform. Neither Keir nor Rachel understands business or how to drive growth eg full rights for workers from day 1. There is no vision and little boldness. Lots is being done but the story is not being told.

Child benefit of £17 a week is not the issue. The two child cap related to universal credit payments. The state gave you additional money for each child you have, this was capped by the Tories when they were in government, you could only claim universal credit for two children, you could of course have as many children as you desired, but you wouldn’t get additional benefits for them. This has now been revoked, so parents will be able to get additional universal credit payments for each child they have, they don’t need to consider if they can afford to. Those who are not in receipt of UC can’t go to their employer as ask for a £3k raise just because they have had another child. Is there any guarantee that the extra money is going to be spent on the children to improve their lives? I’m sure it will in some cases, but There are a lot of feckless parents out there. Who on earth would have five children anyway, it’s not particularly responsible especially if you are reliant on the state for support. I know a lot of UC recipients do work, but I also know a lot who work part time hours and refuse extra hours because it would affect their benefits. Why work 40 hours a week when you can work half that and get your salary topped up?

In other words we should stop saying things you don't want to hear.

I hope you get the same amount of support and empathy on your thread, OP, as you have given to so many posters on so many threads over the years.

its the able bodied who don’t work that piss me right off cos it’s not worth them working.

I paid for the family I chose to have, nobody else paid and why should they?
Your large family is your responsibility
and yes I do own my own home that I pay for. I never had any ‘handouts’ for my children
the luxury of being a SAHM or working less hours was not a possibility, because I had to pay for my life, my children, my home
in doing that I have paid a lot of tax, and I am sick to death of it being spent on entitled people who make choices they expect others to pay for
I have no problem at all paying tax to support the vulnerable, the disabled, to improve services, to encourage growth and success. But as usual that will not happen.

My boys are grown up successful young men who I taught your have to do things you don’t want to, so that you reap benefits in life. This lesson seems to have completely passed by an awful lot of people.
Now they are grown I still have a career, a home, a pension. Never relying on benefits has finally reaped rewards. Lots of people with benefits associated to how many children they have are in for a big shock when they grow up.

@Viviennemary Liz truss short term spooked the markets long term we may have been ok

This is long term damage and squeezes on the wrong people.

Young people won't be able to find jobs people on low income or working around childcare will be massively bit by static thresholds .

And loads of other stuff....deep deep issues .

This is far worse than Liz truss!!!

@ColourThief but we were told babies weren't being born and we are facing low population so maybe it was working and people were being more thoughtful and careful ?

Yes accidents happen but three children isn't that diffenr to two but four ? Five ??

Top tip: don’t have too many kids to the point that you can’t afford them and rely on state handouts 👍

I have an only child for a reason - why is it so hard for some people to accept that it’s not their god given right to keep popping kids out that they can’t provide for?

She's on the news now talking about living wage and it's the right thing to do to put more money into people's pockets. 🤬🤬🤬 She's literally just said business is worried about no discretionary spending ,meals out ,casual shops so increasing the nmw is the right thing to do and will help spending and the poorest 🤬🤬.

Sorry where is that extra nmw actually coming from ?? Whose paying it ? The very small struggling businesses she's just mentioned

I'm right on the cusp of that threshold any extra I get on loose in tax (lower threshold ) so she's not bloody well helping me.

I cannot comprehend the utter stupidity.

I think you are both putting words in the OP’s mouth and over reacting.

Freezing thresholds for a bit longer ???

It's years and years longer.

There is no extra money going into my pocket ?? I'm on her lower end as well.