To think that people who admire Dubai's low crime rate often miss the fact that it's partly due to nearly 90% of the population being temporary workers?

[Carla786]

Some people might remember a week or so ago on AIBU there was a thread about whether the OP should move to Dubai. Many posts praised the low crime rate & compared it favourably to UK.

I was critical of this for several reasons. Checking facts later, I realised that nearly 90% of Dubai residents are Expat workers or migrants who've held in a restrictive system (the kafala system has been strongly criticised for being essentially indentured servitude, and there have been reforms but it still seems concerning).

It's unsurprising crime, especially violent crime, would be low when most people are either temporary expats or people who've likewise been sourced specifically to come and work (and are held in a punitive system), and whose families often depend on the remittances they're sending back.

Obviously the harsh criminal code in Dubai (though there have again been some recent reforms) plays a role, but the population makeup alone makes comments on Dubai's superior morality/crime control etc very questionable.

I myself think policing and crime need serious reforms in the UK but people comparing it to Dubai favourably are comparing apples to authoritarian oranges.

I don't like Trump but I agree 'hellscape since he took charge' is a big exaggeration.

Still, the problems I mentioned before : high violent crime, child marriage legal in some states (sometimes for under-16s- see here, for instance 4 states have no minimum marriage age: https://www.unchainedatlast.org/united-states-child-marriage-problem-study-findings-through-2021/), abortion banned with no exceptions even for rape in several states, extremely lax homeschooling laws facilitating cultic isolation groups like Quiverfull predate Trump's 2024 election

What do you think about those?

There's plenty of others that could be named : the disgraceful healthcare system, for one. The poor state of public education, with some schools spending more money on sports. The ICE sending illegal migrants to a barbaric prison in El Salvador (which can be blamed on Trump).

Horrible.

Nobody should trust the crime stats of a state run by a dictator.

All sharia law countries rule by punishment. Those punishments are harsh. If we still followed the laws of Moses our laws would be even worse, but this is the 21st century and in Europe the punishments are not to kill and maim.

There is no difference in Dubai, except that it is a very rich country and people go there to live in luxury. The fact that expats from UK and other places work there does not make the laws Christian.

It is the same in all sharia law countries. The Taliban goes as far as to punish the women who upset them by stoning in public arenas - human sacrifice you could say. They freely admit to it, so I am not making it up.

That is why we should be very concerned that UK does not lose it's monarchy and become a republic. That would be a disaster for all, whatever the faith, because people come to Britain for it's freedom. Others come for that too, but to change it.

It is all about the money. I was there when there was just one hotel and nothing else.

I know that about sharia law countries- terrible..

I agree strongly about our freedom here. However, why do you think we couldn't preserve our freedom as a Republic? Is it the relationship between the monarchy and the C of E that you think is protective?

These threads are just laughable to be honest. When you look at the absolute shit state the UK is in at the moment - a country in total decline, MNetters continue to post pontificating over such countries as the US and Dubai and how they manage their affairs. I’ve spent considerable time in both, if I could afford to and had something to offer them, I’d be moving to one of them in a heart beat. They’re both doing way better than the UK.

How on earth does the monarchy guarantee us our freedom?!

Why is the UK in 'total decline' compared to the US, in your view?

As I've posted, despite the death penalty the violent crime rate, including spousal murder remains higher than the UK.

Political polarisation is much higher, we haven't had a recent epidemic of violent attacks on public figures, have we?

I take it that child marriage, abortion bans even in cases of rape, poor education and healthcare access, cult isolation of children being permitted doesn't mean very much to you, then?

Prince Andrew & Lord Mountbatten abuse cover ups certainly don't!

I think that PP is looking at the wealthy side of the USA.

Presumably.. Several of those can still impact those areas too though..

Did you pay your domestic help / nanny a fair wage or you too got caught in the trap of cheap foreign labour?

Did your nanny have child care qualifications? Have paediatric first aid? Or she was just an additional person to help raise the children?

When did you spend this quality time with the children working long hours as required to maintain the life Dubai sells?

Not attacking just curious..

Many UK expats choose not to come back. Which says a lot.

Tis indeed an utterly baffling assertion.

I’m Nigerian and love holidaying in Dubai. Family I have there have good jobs and consider it an amazing place to live. Similar to say, a wealthy Nigerian lifestyle and they often wonder what/ why I am in the UK.
2 of my kids teachers from
primary school have also moved to Dubai over the last two years (probably poached one at a time as they were friends) and I suspect more would be doing the same
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The teachers seldom stay long.

Yes...I mean I do think that the 2-income requirement now is punishing for families. But at the same time, most people get by without using servants or resorting to exploiting cheap migrant workers (if that's what pp is doing).

I would personally have thought that Dubai income would be enough for one parent to stay at home, if that was what they wanted to do, rather than resort to an underpaid nanny.

That is because they refuse to tolerate illegal immigrants. It is that one thing which is ruining Britain.

I have answered that in a response to XDownwiththissortofthingX

Because the sort of republic Britain would become is more like that of Iran than America.

Turning the country into a republic has nothing to do with the monarchy and the Church of England, at least not directly. Before a monarch is crowned, he has to swear to uphold the faith - the faith of the Church of England. If he refuses, the crown passes to the next in line. A monarch cannot sit on the British throne otherwise. The Act of Settlement was originally to prevent the royal family from becoming catholic. The Roman Catholic religion swore allegiance to the Church of Rome, and their laws would have come first. The problem had arisen when the heir to the throne was catholic.Charles 1st succeeded James 1st. There was civil war and he was beheaded. His son succeeded him. He was a secret catholic, declaring it on his deathbed.

It was his son James who worried the population and Parliament. He was catholic and Parliament feared more wars, so the Act of Settlement 1701.

Now it isn't so clear cut. Our monarchs to date have been Christian, sworn to uphold the faith of the Church of England. The Oath also says that the monarch must be tolerant of other faiths (I don't consider islam a faith, more a way of life with rules and cruel punishments) but must swear to maintain the churches and services in Britain.

King Charles 3 full title is Supreme Ruler of the Church of England. It is a pity that is not spelled out more often.

If the Act is repealed any time soon, likely perhaps by the next parliament if they let more boat people in, it will most likely cause civil war, as it has done in many countries. I am sure Ai will tell you how quickly sharia law was rolled out in those countries. It could be as 'long as a piece of string''

I wonder if people realise just how perilous life can be at the moment. Starmer's manifesto promised to process the boat people faster. He has done that. He has let them all in. It was certainly faster. You cannot say he didn't keep his promise.

I thought people would not be so easily led in the 21st century.

That poster has so little self awareness I almost thought it was satire.

Oh yeah, what a wonderful sounding place! It's not like these domestic servants are like, you know, actual human beings.

I understand that many of the girls working in Dubai as maids and nannies have been smuggled.

Like London?