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Does anyone else find recent graduates very lacking in grammar and spelling skills?

229 replies

headtohead · 25/11/2025 17:56

I manage a team where every year we have a graduate intake. It’s a technical role (think construction industry). All of these people put in decently written CV’s and interview well.

In a lot of cases though, when it comes to them starting the role it’s pretty clear that they are hopeless at writing simple emails. Their spelling and grammar is atrocious, they have no understanding of setting out a letter or a mail, they cannot use commas and full stops, nor do they use capitals at the start of sentences.

We need to write succinct, technically accurate replies to customers, they write as they would talk about the subject. ‘You can’t use that brick there’ - no explanation to customer of what the correct product is and why etc. Just like a child would write a sentence.

It’s not just the recent intake that are like this, I’ve noticed it over the last few years. I’m constantly rewriting their replies or helping them to word things in a better way. They totally reply on spellcheck but that will often change the word to something totally different but the writer simply does not see it as they don’t know how it’s spelled in the first place.

These are adults with good degrees, how did we lose so much written English ability? Is anyone else noticing this?

OP posts:
ledmeup · 26/11/2025 06:05

Are children actually taught this? I used to be very good at English but years in the workplace writing nothing more than emails has impacted my grammar skills & my spelling is not what it was. I also think it’s easier to spot an error when reading on paper vs screen.

Missey85 · 26/11/2025 06:06

It's the spell check generation they haven't learnt spelling and grammar the phone or computer will do it for them it's the same with handwriting

FollowingAzureSeas · 26/11/2025 06:22

2 of my kids struggled/struggle at uni with spelling and grammar. Their secondary school was crap, they were encouraged to use Grammarly, which has come unstuck at DS's uni because of the Ai issue., they are also querying his DSA software.
I cringe at DD's spelling on official things. Both kids are studying/studied humanities and got good A level grades. I've had to teach them both to write emails and letters, but there is an element of "nobody cares Mum".

FollowingAzureSeas · 26/11/2025 06:26

ledmeup · 26/11/2025 06:05

Are children actually taught this? I used to be very good at English but years in the workplace writing nothing more than emails has impacted my grammar skills & my spelling is not what it was. I also think it’s easier to spot an error when reading on paper vs screen.

Yes! Very much so, but I also find the phone spellcheck to be unhelpful, scattering apostrophes where they are not needed and it learns my poor spelling.

RampantIvy · 26/11/2025 06:33

My kindle has the worst autocorrect of any device I have used. I have switched spellchecker off but it still replaces what I have written with random words. It has a mind of its own.

TBH I didn't spot any glaring grammar mistakes in the OP's first post until someone pointed them out to me, but I still don't think they were a crime against the English language compared to some of the posts I have seen on MN.

Tulipsriver · 26/11/2025 06:33

I think written standards change over time (look at how formal professional letters were a 100 or 200 years ago compared to now!).

Kiwi09 · 26/11/2025 06:35

I think it’s quite possible for people to get through school and uni without learning the basics. Parents aren’t teaching their kids these skills either.
Have you considered creating some templates/guidelines with examples so that the new hires learn what is and isn’t appropriate?
I still remember having a new grad start and they didn’t know what forwarding an email was. Their job was mainly admin tasks.

RampantIvy · 26/11/2025 06:35

Tulipsriver · 26/11/2025 06:33

I think written standards change over time (look at how formal professional letters were a 100 or 200 years ago compared to now!).

So true

I remember being taught how to write formal letters at primary school.
Dear Sir/Madam - sign off was yours faithfully
Dear name - sign off was yours sincerely

It is many years since I have seen either of those on any letter.

Sally2791 · 26/11/2025 06:39

I find standards of written English to be woefully inadequate.

RhaenysRocks · 26/11/2025 06:42

I think there's a difference between styles evolving and a total lack of basic grasp of spelling and simple punctuation. I can forgive "higher level" errors of spliced commas or whatever but capitals, full stops, and the correct your, there, lose and loose really shouldn't be beyond anyone without learning issues. And for the millionth time, that IS taught in schools at every level but opportunities to correct errors and repeat the work - writing out the word or sentence three times, that's gone. There simply isn't time and unless it's reinforced or practised at home, it doesn't always sink in.

Piglet89 · 26/11/2025 06:45

EveryKneeShallBow · 25/11/2025 18:10

A family member works for a large legal firm. There is much consternation about the lack of English skills from the graduate entrants, since the firm charge big money. So they suggested that AI might be utilised to set out correspondence. Only for at least three letters to go out with “Would you like me to help put that in less formal terms, or suggest other points that you might include?” etc.

God, seriously? That’s dreadful.

ethelredonagoodday · 26/11/2025 06:46

MiddleAgedDread · 25/11/2025 18:57

I agree it’s been like this for a while, when I moaned about having to rewrite reports I was meant to be checking and approving I got told that “engineers don’t write essays”. Well maybe not but I’d expect you to be able to summarise the problem and proposed technical solution in coherent sentences!!

My husband is a Chartered Engineer and a partner in his firm, and I think he would very much agree with you @MiddleAgedDread!! 🤣🤣🤣
Engineers, especially consulting ones, often need to be able to write technical reports. He spends a lot of his time tearing his hair out at junior engineers who cannot write accurate and succinct reports, and who also seemingly have no eye for detail. Excellent. 😵‍💫🫣🤣

Cakeandcardio · 26/11/2025 06:47

mydogisanidiott · 25/11/2025 18:54

This is Mumsnet though- the op isn’t being paid to post on here!

I get it OP. I teach secondary school and I would only feel confident in the top 10% from my average comp in Y10 and 11 being able to write a decent email.

There is an absolute lack of critical thinking and being able to work things out for one’s self. They would need a paragraph structure, sentence starters and a paragraph plan. Then they would need to guided through it.

100% this!

I recently heard a newly qualified teacher 'brag' about not being able to tell the time!
We also had a student teacher in the English dept. who claimed she had never read a book!

ledmeup · 26/11/2025 06:49

@FollowingAzureSeas my iphone has recently started autocorrecting my posts with random words & often suggests incorrect spellings for words. Sometimes I reread a post I have made & I think wtf have I just posted!

arcticpandas · 26/11/2025 06:52

Ineedanewsofa · 25/11/2025 18:56

From what I’ve seen over the last 10 years of recruiting, the best written English skills belong to non native speakers, probably because they are taught English grammar as part of learning the language! Grammar is an afterthought for most schools, they simply don’t have the time in the curriculum to teach it.

I'm not a native English speaker (school started teaching English year 4) and I've noticed with astonishment that some people born and raised in the UK make mistakes that are very.. basic. Like confusion btw bought-brought, lose-loose, his-he's, your-you're, ect instead of etc.. and that's just common mn errors:).

I wouldn't say that my English is better than my native language. If you're an avid reader you tend to get things right without necessarily knowing all the grammatic rules. I couldn't explain the grammar of my native language but I get it right organically. Whereas I could explain French grammar (so complicated) and still make errors.

Butchyrestingface · 26/11/2025 06:53

Yes, but they were saying the same when I graduated 25 years ago so … 🤷‍♀️

RampantIvy · 26/11/2025 06:57

ledmeup · 26/11/2025 06:49

@FollowingAzureSeas my iphone has recently started autocorrecting my posts with random words & often suggests incorrect spellings for words. Sometimes I reread a post I have made & I think wtf have I just posted!

My kindle does this as well.

Glowingup · 26/11/2025 07:04

Arrivist · 25/11/2025 18:00

Haha. So many errors in this post!

No, there aren’t

A671090 · 26/11/2025 07:22

I agree totally. But for me it’s the really basic stuff ‘their / thier’. I do accept that sometimes placing a comma in the right place is difficult (get it wrong myself), but basic attention to detail is really irritating. Even things like making sure the fonts are all the same.
Winds me up a treat…..

FollowingAzureSeas · 26/11/2025 07:22

ledmeup · 26/11/2025 06:49

@FollowingAzureSeas my iphone has recently started autocorrecting my posts with random words & often suggests incorrect spellings for words. Sometimes I reread a post I have made & I think wtf have I just posted!

Apparently you can clear the phone dictionary cache, keep meaning to have a look. Mine is hellbent on adding a comma to its whether it needs it or not.

ledmeup · 26/11/2025 07:39

I wouldn't say that my English is better than my native language. If you're an avid reader you tend to get things right without necessarily knowing all the grammatic rules.

I was an avid reader & read whatever I got my hands on. Even if I didn’t truly understand a word I knew how to use it & how to spell it. My dc don’t read the same way which disappoints me but there are so many more distractions now.

Glowingup · 26/11/2025 07:41

I teach undergrads at university in a well respected subject (law) at a very highly regarded institution. There is no physical space for exams so all assessments are coursework or take-home exams. AI use is rife. I suspect there are some student who have not written a single of their assignments - ChatGPT has. So this post doesn’t surprise me and I feel similar levels of frustration. Unfortunately, we are dictated to by senior management and if we wanted to push them to be more independent and take on challenges, we aren’t allowed to. Management are particularly frightened of a tragic case a few years ago at Bristol, where a student sadly took her own life after being asked to do a presentation. The university was blamed for this by the parents and in the press so we have to be very very careful. That has resulted in enormous ability to cheat using AI and very few ways to check that students are actually learning the stuff we want them to.

FigurativelyDying · 26/11/2025 07:47

hellowhaaat3632 · 25/11/2025 19:45

Why all the nit picking here? It's obvious that a post on MN doesn't have to be as well written as one to your clients or bosses

Edited

It’s the usual spite and nastiness for nastiness’s sake.

ledmeup · 26/11/2025 07:59

@Glowingup do you use AI detectors? My family in teaching punish AI use in 6th form.

Ruggerchick · 26/11/2025 08:08

BellissimoGecko · 26/11/2025 00:10

Nope. It’s a job, like editor, manager, nurse, cleaner. So common nouns.

(I’m a copyeditor.)

It’s not his job. It’s his qualification.