Who are people who find Christmas offensive

[Blopi]

It really boils my piss when organisations curtail Christmas stuff as it may offend people.

Who are these people who find Christmas offensive? In my life I have worked and met people from various religions, cultures and countries. NOT one found Christmas and things that go with it. I didn’t work with Jehovah Witnesses but they don’t get offended. Most said they decorated their homes, wore Xmas jumpers and ate food which was suitable or tailored to their religion. Those who didn’t decorate their homes love seeing trees lit up.

I was walking past the council house when I said ‘Christmas’ out loud (rookie mistake) and now I”VE been banned. I have to sign a form promising to eat hummus every day until February and if they catch me with a cracker I’m to be sent to a reception centre over by Inverkip.

One could argue that it should be called a Christmas Fair: to buy presents for Christmas as that is what it is.

It was very good whatever you want to call it

Anyone else going, wrap up, warm the wind was howling across the open space

Which council is this? It’s not outing to tell us. Unless you’ve made it up, which will out you in a different way.

What organisations?

Sometimes the same, sometimes not. Eg, school changing Nativity to a random play, not associated with Nativity. I can see why some parents might not want their child to take part in a Nativity, due to religious connection. But the school could maybe do both - one Nativity, and one not religious, which would then keep everyone happy.

My 5 year old nephew played a chocolate Santa in his nativity.

We had years where we used to do a Panto instead of a nativity. My primary school was 100% white British Christian. This was 40 years ago. It was nothing to do with religion. I think they just felt it was a bit boring and it was more fun to do something that everyone could have a decent role in rather than a nativity with only about 10 roles and 40 angels/animals.

There you go. Maybe a Nativity with other things happening on the fringes. I love a good Nativity play, and i’ve been to many over the years.

Have you ever directed a nativity? To get 60 kids in ks1/EYFS or possibly 120 in ks2 to learn their lines , actions and cues? Assign roles and then deal with the parents moaning Suzie only has one line, John is a star yet again and why does Melanie always get to be Mary? Make the props and costumes? Lose hours and hours of learning time for rehearsals? And then do it TWICE? And why? Because some unimaginative dumbass that hasn’t been in a church since their baptism doesn’t feel it’s “Christian “ enough?

Most schools do an infant nativity and a junior play, don’t they? Not random. Christmas themed but not a nativity?

Seems may have got more complex then over the years. Mine are young adults now, and tbh the only drama used to be the time consuming task of making the costumes. You can buy them off the shelves at B&M and online now, but when mine were Nativity age we used to have to throw something together using old sheets and tea towels! I think expectations were not as high back then, and added to the sweetness of it all when some forgot their lines or spoke at the wrong time. Now I guess it has to be put together like a West End performance.

I think some do both, some don’t. There was recently a Xmas thread on here where the school was just doing a winter themed play, incorporating choir singing carols, rather than a Nativity. Assume it varies from school to school.

Why does it have to be a nativity? I did Christmas plays that weren’t nativities back in the 70s.

My DH was ‘the river’ in his school Christmas play. This was over 50 years ago. Lots of schools do Christmas plays and have done for donkeys years, nothing to do with lefty liberals. My DD was in a nativity a couple of years ago, it had one girl dressed as a parrot. Not sure what that’s got to do with Christmas.

Well it’s Christmas, which is a celebration of the birth of Jesus, so teaches children the real meaning behind Xmas, which is easily lost in the commercial side. It’s a tradition that still means a lot to many people. As said earlier, the tradition of the Nativity could be kept in schools, alongside a festive play, which keeps both camps happy. Most religious celebrations have traditions attached to them.

You can have a play which is about Christianity/christian values wothout it being the actual nativity. And schools have been doing these for at least half a decade based on my experience.

Maybe it depends in which part of the country you went to school, and the diverse make up of that area? Definitely in my area it was all Nativity lead at Christmas when I was primary school age 40 plus years ago, and similar at my DCs school. The first time I heard of just festive/other plays was about 10 years ago at my previous house where a neighbour went to a none a nativity play where the children all played woodland animals.

IME it's usually white middle class lefties being offended on behalf of people that don't actually give a shit.

There was precisely one not white family in my primary school. They were Christians. It was a church school. We still didn’t always do a nativity - sometimes it was another play showing Christian values.

This is bollocks as explained many times already on the thread.

I’m not sure people are offended. But I do think most businesses have “Christmas” celebrations and these can’t be attended by devout Muslims for example, so aren’t very inclusive. Even when we re brand it as end of year celebration or something those people won’t come. If we did a mid year party they would so it’s more inclusive not to do a thing for Christmas specifically.

Of course you can, but the Nativity is based on the Christmas story, and how it all came about. Jesus, Mary etc. as said upthread my experience until recently has been Nativity performances played out at our local schools, but I’m aware some schools in other parts of the country obviously do their own thing. Personally I enjoy the Nativity and the Christingle Church services afterwards, although I appreciate it’s not everyone’s ‘thing’. I assume before parents choose a school for their child they will research the school and will then choose according to their preferences.

There has been zero evidence of Christmas being banned anywhere in this country.

plenty of evidence of desperate-to-be-angry people though.

NE England in the 1970s. Not very diverse at that time.

I recall one non white family in my whole school so I assume my DH’s school was similar.

@5128gap i would understand if the business held their Christmas celebration In a church thereby directly linking it to Christ But as mentioned before it's a mix of many things mainly ,bringing light ,joy and the promise of better days on the darkest days of the year ?