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Who are people who find Christmas offensive

544 replies

Blopi · 22/11/2025 06:43

It really boils my piss when organisations curtail Christmas stuff as it may offend people.

Who are these people who find Christmas offensive? In my life I have worked and met people from various religions, cultures and countries. NOT one found Christmas and things that go with it. I didn’t work with Jehovah Witnesses but they don’t get offended. Most said they decorated their homes, wore Xmas jumpers and ate food which was suitable or tailored to their religion. Those who didn’t decorate their homes love seeing trees lit up.

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PandoraSocks · 22/11/2025 09:45

PhilosophicalCheeseSandwich · 22/11/2025 09:41

Cadbury's

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Ginmonkeyagain · 22/11/2025 09:45

My very multicultural workplace.tends to opt for variations on "Happy Christmas break however you are spending it". I think that is fine, as it acknowledges Christmas but also the fact not everyone celebrates it (including some nominally Christian people who for various reasons find Christmas difficult).

WhatHoJeeves · 22/11/2025 09:45

Oh joy, this again. Hiding thread.

CurlewKate · 22/11/2025 09:45

According to Wikipedia, Seasons Greetings became commonplace in the 1920s. It’s that woke Time Machine again.

Whatafustercluck · 22/11/2025 09:45

Candystripes85 · 22/11/2025 08:28

I don’t understand where this Tesco crap has come from. It’s the style of the tree. Evergreen tree (green), Snowy tree (you guessed it has fake snow on it). It’s so people who want a green tree know what’s inside the box and don’t accidentally buy one with snow on it. All shops have been doing this for years so customer know the difference between the types. Asda are also naming their trees this way btw, I saw them yesterday but no one is gunning for them for some reason.

Exactly. And they're all available under a massive Tesco-branded banner saying "CHRISTMAS TREES". 🙄

ChocolateCinderToffee · 22/11/2025 09:46

Dollymylove · 22/11/2025 07:33

Nobody in the UK is offended by Christmas. The leftie Corbyn shagger types perpetuate the myth, trying to divide the country. It doesnt work. Why would other religious want it banned? Its the most lucrative time of the year for many, particularly the business people

It’s not the ’leftie Corbyn shagger types’ as you so quaintly put it who perpetuate this myth, nor are they the ones who want to divide the country. It’s the extreme right who make the fuss, want to divide peaceful communities and in addition do their best to blame the ‘lefties’ for their own behaviour.

You might recognise yourself there.

Acommonreader · 22/11/2025 09:47

PegDope · 22/11/2025 06:55

The era of the perpetually offended isn’t it?

Everyone has the right to be offended by anything they want but that doesn’t mean they get to control anyone else.

Do tell us who is offended.
Also who is trying to control Christmas or anything else?

PistachioTiramisu · 22/11/2025 09:48

But why shouldn't we refer to 'Christmas' as we have always done? We don't make a fuss if people living in the UK celebrate Chinese New Year, Diwali, The Prophet's Birthday or Eid or expect them to change the name of that celebration! My local garden centre has just advertised that they are selling 'live trees' - no mention of 'Christmas trees'!

PandoraSocks · 22/11/2025 09:50

75% think OP is NBU. 🤯There is no hope for MN.

Luxio · 22/11/2025 09:50

PistachioTiramisu · 22/11/2025 09:48

But why shouldn't we refer to 'Christmas' as we have always done? We don't make a fuss if people living in the UK celebrate Chinese New Year, Diwali, The Prophet's Birthday or Eid or expect them to change the name of that celebration! My local garden centre has just advertised that they are selling 'live trees' - no mention of 'Christmas trees'!

No one is stopping anyone referring to Christmas though. That's the point most of us are making it's all nonsensical chatter that anything is being banned or changed.

I'd love to see some evidence of it being banned.

Rosscameasdoody · 22/11/2025 09:50

GeneralPeter · 22/11/2025 09:30

I also don’t see it as a massive problem. But I don’t think it’s entirely invented either. And I do think there’s an asymmetrical emphasis on Christian symbols being the ones that should be toned down.

This is a New York example so not directly relevant, but I personally have had experience booking a Christmas event for a group of colleagues (not directly a company event) and being told by one venue that I mustn’t call it a Christmas event and should remember that not everyone is Christian. I found that strange/amusing because: I. I think no one in the group was Christian, II. that same group is extremely international and celebrates many cultural events. I just can’t imagine any venue would ever admonish someone for trying to book an Eid event, Hannukah, CNY, etc.

I think this is the point - it’s not ‘banning’ Christmas as such, but a definite toning down of some elements. As an example our local Christmas market has always been called that. This year it’s a winter market - no mention of the word Christmas. You do have to ask yourself why little things like this are creeping in, but l don’t think it’s necessarily because anyone is actually objecting - we live in an area of high immigration and people of all faiths take part in various multi-cultural events. I get the feeling that it’s more down to people determined to be offended on behalf of others, rather than other faiths or cultures actually taking offence.

Just as an aside, a poster upthread says all of Tesco’s boxed Christmas trees have the word Christmas on them. They don’t. We bought one of the Evergreen trees mentioned and although they were displayed within a Christmas setting in store, the word Christmas doesn’t appear on the box.

PandoraSocks · 22/11/2025 09:51

PistachioTiramisu · 22/11/2025 09:48

But why shouldn't we refer to 'Christmas' as we have always done? We don't make a fuss if people living in the UK celebrate Chinese New Year, Diwali, The Prophet's Birthday or Eid or expect them to change the name of that celebration! My local garden centre has just advertised that they are selling 'live trees' - no mention of 'Christmas trees'!

Which garden centre is this?

Ginmonkeyagain · 22/11/2025 09:51

Interestingly what we think of as traditional British Christmas only really dates back to Victorian period. Before the Victorian revival of Christmas as a family focussed festival Christmas had declined in importance as a festival and wasn't really observed that much. Pre Civil war Christmas was more of a wild and rather spooky pagan affair

Wowsersbrowsers · 22/11/2025 09:52

I've come across a couple of examples of this. Both Muslims from Birmingham.

Mightymooo · 22/11/2025 09:53

PandoraSocks · 22/11/2025 09:50

75% think OP is NBU. 🤯There is no hope for MN.

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whoopsnomore · 22/11/2025 09:54

Aweekoffwork · 22/11/2025 07:12

Tesco are not selling :

Xmas trees - they’re selling Evergreen Trees
Xmas cake - they’re selling Iced Top Fruit Cake

Totally false. The Tesco website has a whole section devoted to "Christmas" with a choice of 95 different "Christmas" trees. Did you hear this on GB News? Or read it in a tweet by Reform UK?

Ivelostmyglasses · 22/11/2025 09:56

Mothership4two · 22/11/2025 09:13

Absolutely @SheepShankers and it was a marketing strategy to cover the Winter season of events including Christmas. In 1998 it ran from Halloween to the Chinese New Year (so mainly not the Christmas period). Winterval replacing Christmas due to potential offence is now a persistent myth that has been debunked by the Birmingham City Council and journalists.

Exactly this! It is a financial decision to stretch out the season and be able to run events either side of Christmas.
The descriptors such as iced fruit cake are for people who do/do not like icing- the shop wants to make money and still have a huge amount of Christmas branded items.
The countdown calender is to appeal to the ( huge amount of) people who no longer use or understand the term "advent" and do not use an advent calendar. It is the general public losing these traditions- not the "woke".
And as I mentioned earlier the only actual documented council not having Christmas lights this year is a reform council.

Seasons greetings all! (As seen on Christmas cards in the renown woke Victorian era🙄).

PistachioTiramisu · 22/11/2025 09:56

PandoraSocks · 22/11/2025 09:51

Which garden centre is this?

Don't want to put their name but it's in the very south of England.

ilovesooty · 22/11/2025 09:56

Wowsersbrowsers · 22/11/2025 09:52

I've come across a couple of examples of this. Both Muslims from Birmingham.

So what are these couple of Muslims from Birmingham doing or saying?

whoopsnomore · 22/11/2025 09:57

Ginmonkeyagain · 22/11/2025 09:51

Interestingly what we think of as traditional British Christmas only really dates back to Victorian period. Before the Victorian revival of Christmas as a family focussed festival Christmas had declined in importance as a festival and wasn't really observed that much. Pre Civil war Christmas was more of a wild and rather spooky pagan affair

And largely imported by a German (Prince Albert)!

WorriedRelative · 22/11/2025 09:57

Nobody is offended by Christmas and nobody is banning it.

Organisations may ask for celebrations to be inclusive, so not too alcohol focussed not too much religion without recognising other faiths, ensuring dietary requirements are met, ensuring disabled and neurodiverse people aren't excluded.

At my workplace we celebrate Christmas but we also celebrate Diwali, Eid, Hanukkah, Chinese New Year, St Patrick's Day, and various secular festivals.

PandoraSocks · 22/11/2025 09:58

PistachioTiramisu · 22/11/2025 09:56

Don't want to put their name but it's in the very south of England.

Why not? It's hardly outing.

Rosscameasdoody · 22/11/2025 09:59

Luxio · 22/11/2025 09:50

No one is stopping anyone referring to Christmas though. That's the point most of us are making it's all nonsensical chatter that anything is being banned or changed.

I'd love to see some evidence of it being banned.

Does anyone really have to issue an outright ban though ? The notion that putting up a tree or designating a ‘Christmas’ market, or any other public Christmas event is going to offend others can be enough in itself.

Our local Christmas market has always been designated as such, up until this year. Now it’s a Winter Fayre. The Christmas trappings still appear but the the actual word doesn’t appear in any of the advertising. Someone, somewhere has made that decision on behalf of everyone. It may not be a ban, but l do think there’s a certain amount of policing going on by those who take it upon themselves to be offended on behalf of other cultures and denominations, who in reality haven’t raised any objections.

ilovesooty · 22/11/2025 09:59

whoopsnomore · 22/11/2025 09:57

And largely imported by a German (Prince Albert)!

Bloody Germans. Coming over here and importing their traditions 😁

Mothership4two · 22/11/2025 10:00

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 22/11/2025 09:23

People are being rather disingenuous here.

There are many many examples of companies / councils avoiding the word Christmas in favour of "festive season" or similar for years.

No doubt this was done to be inclusive.

Pointing it out - and that it's ridiculous because non Christian communities probably couldn't give a damn - does not mean you're part of a stupid Mail reading right wing conspiracy.

The levels of patronising admonishment on this thread.. it's like a James O'Brien phone in.

I don't think posters are being disingenuous, maybe fed up at the annual madey upy I'm-so-furious-Christmas-is-banned threads that appear like clockwork that are divisive and a tad racist. Every example given on here of organisations avoiding the word Christmas is untrue they all very much use that word a lot. No-one has yet provided examples where this happens. IRL I have never come across this or anyone alleging to be offended by the word Christmas. {Maybe your New York example would be to do with the fact that they have the largest community of Jews outside of Israel? Just a guess? But I would have disagreed with the restaurant)

And every year the Daily Mail and the Telegraph perpetuate this myth and wind up their readers (and make money).