To say that women look bloody weird ….

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.. when the only part of their face that moves is their mouth and eyes.

And don’t get me started on the massive fish lips.

Never see any naturally beautiful young women on TV these days. Such a shame

I am curious about this obsession with looking "natural" though. I worked as a personal trainer for a while and had visible abs and muscles - its very obvious thats not a "natural" look- its very obvious someone has worked hard in the gym for it but it still looks great.

Same with women who dye their hair- few people have natural blonde highlights/caramel lowlights for example and yet people can look stunning with their hair dyed/professionally styled. Noone pretends they think its 100% natural

Shaving your under arms/legs- again, not natural.

Not everyone craves to look "natural" - makeup for example isnt "natural" but it can still look great on someone.

Nobody is telling a woman what to do! People are concerned about women being made to look ridiculous by shit aestheticians! I occasionally get a little botox in my lips because they are thin and I bet collagen injected under my eyes. I don't mess with filler in my face. My aesthetician is an ex NHS nurse with scruples and she fixes the lips that have been overfilled elsewhere and left the women embarrassed - at least the ones that realise they shouldn't have a duck bill.

As I've said on other comments, it can get damaging and dangerous for people to keep going through procedures and risking infections. Look at the lips Pete Burns was left with! Absolutely how prematurely he died! It's shame you are clearly a fan over over filling of faces and use misogyny as a bizarre attack on anyone right minded about it!

It's not about demanding people look natural, it's about telling people to drop letting bad aestheticians deform their faces!

Which is why I said 'own it' if it makes you happy.

I was referring to this comment: I'm sorry you felt so unattractive, and I'm glad you feel happier now. I honestly do still think you are fooling yourself if you think it all looks 100% natural though. That poster was happy about how she looks now (which I think is wonderful) and this seemed to me like a bit of a mean spirited "aha! but you arent 100% natural" as if it was designed to be some kind of gotcha moment.

Apologies you're right. It was a twatish thing to say.

I do look like the rest of my family. Don't get me wrong, I am not a beauty queen, I probably upgraded from 1/10 to 5/10 on a good day with a lot of sleep, but it was enough. Like old me, but with a filter.

Although women on here say they do it for themselves not men. If I were going to do anything in my 50s it would be for me alone. I worked in a very ruthless male dominated profession in the City in the 90s and know how it feels to be focused on for your looks rather than ability. Not nice. I had long blonde hair and was fairly attractive and got a lot of the wrong attention which often made me very uncomfortable. It was a good lesson to not give a massive shit about looking attractive for men. I think many girls these days have lost that. That includes the bra top and knickers look that a lot of them seem to be going out in.

As an older woman with no looks or attractiveness anymore, it makes me so sad to see women in their 20s and 30s having stuff injected into their bodies to aspire to a perceived ideal. I KNOW its their choice but so many of them are naturally very pretty and its just the pressure from social media and 24/7 access to it that insists we should all look a certain way to be attractive to (mostly) men. I dread the fall out in a few years when its revealed how carcinogenic all these products actually are - I really hope I'm wrong.

You get botox in your lips? I didn't know it was even possible, and can't see how that would give any beneficial effect.

They do it because that’s what they feel they should look like. Not like their natural selves. Where is that idea coming from?

Muscles are natural though they’re not a distortion. You can build them or not build them. Some people have built muscles naturally. Equally while many people dye their hair much it is a natural colour. A non-naturally occurring colour like pink can still look attractive.

Personally, I find the distortions of peoples’ faces that come from Botox and fillers and very harsh surgery upsetting and offputting.

It is interesting that you say you like teeth quirks in other people but would fix your own teeth to look 'better'. I'm an artist and I infinitely prefer when people look individual rather than generic. I think virtually everyone does prefer that but some people still feel they need to smooth out their own quirks. I think the beauty industry is shockingly complicit in this and hope at some point everyone comes to their senses.

People are free to do whatever they want with their appearance, and I respect that. It is not true to say botox and filler cosmetic procedures do not affect others.

When facial movement is limited or features look very pronounced, it can be visually striking in a way that naturally, and constantly draws your eyes to it. That shift in focus can make the interaction feel a bit off-balance or uncomfortable, simply because it’s harder to read expressions the way we normally do. It can cause an ongoing monologue in my head thinking WTF have they done to their lips which make a connection with the person difficult!

It’s an observation about how communication works for me its not judging anyone’s right to make their own choices, each to their own, but to say it does not impact others is not entirely true.

But telling you to your face is obviously not on and I hope no one ever has.

If the friends and family of women and men who have really distorted their faces were honest with them who’s to say that wouldn’t be for the good. I think people can very easily kid themselves that they don’t look distorted, that nobody notices, and convince themselves that they look better, when in fact people do notice and they actually look worse.

Most look like clones, having the same work done.
Its also very aging makes lot look older instead of younger.

Its not a good look but it's not me having it.

I do think in a few year the dangers of all this filler skinny jabs and botox will come to light, some have are already talking about it and their experiences.
Most women just need to love themselves more.

No, it wasn't a gotcha at all. It was a 'why pretend?', instead 'own it' (because most folk will realise that at least some of it is enhanced anyway). Pretending it's natural creates the illusion that we should all look like that.

Quite apart from the impact on young women and even children. Girls are being targeted for products and treatments by the beauty industry, in a way that I find horrifying.

Ok, thanks for replying.

So you're suggesting I simply didn’t try hard enough to be confident, and that confidence alone was all I ever needed to be in a relationship? Do you think I maybe have have a better grasp of my lived experience than you do?

My confidence didn't suddenly appear the moment my looks changed. I was already educated, successful, respected in my field, surrounded by brilliant friends, active in my community, and hopefully overall a decent human being. I wasn't shy, I asked men out, and many of the men I approached back then are close friends today (and actually were kind enough to guide me with the "male gaze" with some of the changes I made - men are actually much more understanding about appearance insecurities that they are given credit for).

The only thing that changed was my appearance. Everything else was already there.

What do you actually mean by "own it" though? that poster was very honest about the fact she's had work done and she loved the results, how much more can she "own it"?

I fully own the fact I use and love botox - I LOVE BOTOX- is that owning it enough for you?

Yes I think it's horrible looking.

It makes young women look middle aged or old. It makes middle aged women look masculine. There is nothing more beautiful in person's appearance than seeing expressions of joy or laughter spread across their face.

But I think there's more to it than just a matter of taste.

It is becoming the norm to wear weird masks on our faces, to make ourselves unrecognisable, to look individual and unique.

I don't want my daughter to think she has to look like somebody else. I want her to wear her own beautiful face forever. Don't all the other mums feel like that?

no one has ever clocked any of it.

This is very much unlikely to be true. I wouldn’t comment on anyone’s veneers but I would notice! People are just being polite.

Go back and read the interaction again, a few pages back, it's explained there. If you still want more then quote this and I'll reply later (really need to get moving now, not avoiding). 😬

Nobody cares what you think.