To say that women look bloody weird ….

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.. when the only part of their face that moves is their mouth and eyes.

And don’t get me started on the massive fish lips.

Never see any naturally beautiful young women on TV these days. Such a shame

Yeah, anyone with a different opinion to you is a manz. Just checked in my panties if I´ve grown a knob, as I agree with the poster. Luckily, being 51, I am old enough to know fashion goes in circles (you were so right, mum) and this awful awful look will go and something else will take its place, let´s pray for something better.

No, I didn’t say you weren’t trying hard to be confident. It sounds like whatever intervention you had made you finally more confident about your appearance. All I’m saying is you don’t actually need to have treatment to develop confidence about your appearance. And objectively you probably don’t look that different to other people.

I assume that poster means I'm hiding the fact I'm about 20% plastic from the men I date. And yes, guilty as charged. I was married for nearly 5 years and my husband had zero idea.
I am open with my female friends though. Some of them date back to high school (so I couldn't hide changes from them, even if I tried), and they are genuinely thrilled about my journey.

You never see naturally beautiful women on TV? Such a shame. How about you stop judging on people’s appearance and just accept others?

If women weren’t under such pressure to be “beautiful” then maybe they would be able to accept themselves.

It’s appalling how people (particularly women) get judged on appearances.

Signs of aging : she’s had a hard paper round
Signs of aesthetics: she should grow old gracefully.
Overweight : Oh she’s let herself go.

Lost weight: Oh she’s been on the skinny jabs.

Can’t win!

It’s very sad that people think this look is attractive. I don’t know what the answer is OP. I find it misogynistic. But am sure those women who feel they want to do this to themselves will be very defensive about this view.

It was really refreshing to see Alicia Silverstone in her Netflix Chrismas movie the other day.No work, normal body.Looked gorgeous.Made me realise how rare that is to see in movies/TV now.

Can I ask you if you have personal experience of being ugly?

I’ve had personal experience of women genuinely believing they looked ugly who weren’t. The only thing that really makes people genuinely unattractive is that personality and behaviour.

Can I ask you if you really think lash extensions and Botox etc is actually fundamentally going to change anyone’s face. Now I’ve seen the list of stuff that you’ve had done (which I missed) - it is minor tweakments, that’s all. I doubt anyone else notices any difference to your features (other than the frozen look of Botox)

I am yet to meet a person who looks better with Botox than without. It's an awful look.

I agree with all this – it’s appalling and deeply misogynist.

Fear, fear of judgement can be deeply damaging. But I don’t think the answer is to distort your looks.

If more people took Pamela Anderson’s new line of going out in public looking normal for their age without a huge amount of make up. That would actually make a big difference.

Totally missing my point there “mate”.
I feel sad that young women in particular can’t enjoy their natural beauty and feel good about themselves.

I have. I was bullied in the cruel 80s at school. I was Asian so the wrong colour too, so was never seen as attractive in my largely white school. I was also not allowed nice clothes due to strict parents, so own clothes days were hellish times of mockery. I had large teeth which affected my speech so a teacher laughed at me when I read something out. I had terrible haircuts too. I was the last to be picked for anything and was most definitely deemed ugly. Never once had a compliment from my parents so I assumed I was very unattractive. I worked v hard and was top of my year.

What was odd though was that I had a deep stream of inner confidence that one day it would be better.

I went to uni as far as possible from home. Bought myself nice clothes and got a decent hairstyle. Smiled a lot. Made friends with people who didn’t mind an unattractive friend. Grew in confidence despite my looks. Met my husband and have adult kids who are very attractive somehow.

I am in my fifties now. I am confident now. I never defined myself by my good looks (obviously!) so it’s my brains and academic abilities and social skills which have given me confidence. Maybe that’s why I have not been tempted to sort out my slightly odd features or inject myself.

I know what it’s like to be ugly. But I have tried to make the best of what I had. No regrets.

Plus circular bleph, a nose job, brow lift, deep fillers in the chin and cheeks, fat grafts in a few places, three years of roaccutane (I had antibiotic resistant cystic acne), and PCOS-fixing surgery. In my original comment I only listed the treatments people here kept pointing to as the "obvious fake look".
And you don't have to end up with that frozen, waxwork face from botox. You just need it done properly, by an actual plastic surgeon who studied facial anatomy for years, not someone with a beauty therapy certificate and a ring light. I'm quite sure most actresses and celebrities lauded here as "natural beauties" do have baby botox done. It restricts movement a little bit in the places that matter, but doesn't turn the face into a mask.

Getting rid of chronic acne makes a fundamental difference to how anyone feels about themselves whether male or female. That, I can believe made a big difference to your appearance and how you feel about yourself.

From the people that I’ve seen who had nose jobs it made them feel very differently about themselves, but they didn’t look very different to anyone else though. With bleph and brow lifts most people don’t notice that either.

I blame social media/mobile phones to some extent.
People have become used to an airbrushed/filtered effect and want it in real life.
I am 52 and haven't had anything done (except botox in masseter muscles when I had severe TMJD). My hair is nearly all grey, but I am happy with how I look. I guess if I wasn't, maybe I would be tempted?
I don't know how people have the time to maintain a perfect appearance though (not to mention the money. I'd rather spend it on other things!)

Imagine you'd never met your husband... and before dating apps existed, you’d approached maybe two hundred men in real life, asking them out. And the responses ranged from a few instances of outright laughter to, more commonly, the gentle and polite let down easy speech. The first time in my entire life a man initiated anything with me socially was when I was 28, and that was after I'd already sorted my teeth and my skin. I remember it until now, it was like I was struck by a lightning - so unusual it was. Even though he was very drunk and probably in his 60s lol.

In every other way, I was not unlike you: top of the class, teacher's pet, STEM doctorate, career on track, weird internal confidence… all of it.

I am, objectively, very plain. Had the most dreadful time right through to early thirties (although I married and had children, some of the things I heard said about me were painful).

Now I'm in my sixties and my looks don't matter at all. Nobody cares that I've got grey hair, a big nose, dreadful teeth and no chin. And my eyes are too close together. None of those things would have been fixed with anything other than major surgery (apart from the hair!) so I never bothered. But having reached the age where I am almost literally invisible, it's great and I can look on people struggling with their looks with sympathy rather than condemnation.

I knew most men were out of my league. I kind of ‘knew my place’ at university and knew that the really good looking ones would never look at me, going for my attractive blonde friends instead. And I was right. It wasn’t a great feeling. I would not have dreamed of asking any man out, never mind 200! That’s impressive. I was surprised when my husband asked me out. He wasn’t ugly so he clearly saw something that the many others didn’t!

I'm not sure what the answer is on this tbh. I can see the argument that it makes people happy but I also regularly see people with distorted faces.
I spent time with a younger relative, 25, at the weekend and she is planning Botox because she thinks her expression look like wrinkles .She looks lovely and isn't a high earner, it worries me that this has become a financial priority for her.
Anne Hathaway, Emma Stone etc all look perfect but it saddens me that this is becoming normal even in late 30s , early 40s.They were already gorgeous. Makes you aware of the flaws in yourself that wouldn't even have been considered a couple of years ago.

Sorry your ability to read is so poor. I wasn't the one asking 'what is a pornbot space alien' so I have zero clue why you're explaining it to me.

I don't think the pressure is necessarily coming from men. There's been decades of studies showing than most men generally prefer a woman who has a natural and healthy appearance.

Agree too
Each to their own, would be boring if we all looked the same and liked the same things.

Stop minding then!

Its impossible to answer in a binary way. Because 'beauty surgery' as you term it covers such a wide range of procedures. My personal view is that some women look very nice with some procedures. Others are not to my personal taste.
Far more importantly though is my view that other women don't exist to please me aesthetically, so their appearance is none of my business.
One of the key arguments against procedures is that the industry adds to the pressure on women to be ornamental. This really sits badly with women who are against them judging their merit on whether they make other women more easy on the eye or not.
If they made women look better in your opinion, would they be OK?

Thank you.