To say that women look bloody weird ….

[GoingbackwardsForwards]

.. when the only part of their face that moves is their mouth and eyes.

And don’t get me started on the massive fish lips.

Never see any naturally beautiful young women on TV these days. Such a shame

Sorry your ability to count is so poor. You could use your fingers to assist you, at a pinch.

It's a person - usually female - whose face is so destroyed by unnecessary procedures they look like a robot designed for the pornsick, or a space alien. A person who no longer looks like a normal human, but pathetic, desperate and freakish.

But you already know that :)

This does not make any sense. Why would a woman with Botox, fillers and the like tell another woman with Botox etc that she looked awful? To do so she would have to break out of her own denial and acknowledge that she too looks awful. That’s why it ain’t happening, not because it looks nice.

As for the rest of us being jealous: we have a choice. Grow old gracefully or get work done. I personally prefer to accept the ageing process and allow my face to do what it will do as I age. Growing older isn’t easy but IMO surgery, Botox and fillers look worse than the ageing process.

But it does affect other women, especially young women, who are spending money on it and using dodgy sources of injectables to get ‘the look’. Watching films from just 15 years ago, women looked more normal.

I have two thoughts:

1. It is none of my business what others do, and wouldn't ever offer a random opinion when not asked.
2. Botox, fillers etc are pretty much always obvious, and I do feel sorry for anyone who feels they have to change their face just to be accepted.

It’s a shame as most looked better before. I’d say fine to have subtle work, but some go too far.
I know people who have had Botox and it is quite obvious but they don’t have that ‘alien’ look.

I do hate the pressure to conform so if you don’t look a certain way you won’t get roles/jobs/followers etc.

Nah, he would still be considered extreme.

But you have launched a vitriolic attack on other women? And one solely based on appearances to make it worse. You can’t claim a moral high ground here

I can no longer watch anything with Nicole Kidman in for this reason.

It's a shame that everyone is so reluctant to have the conversation about embracing natural ageing/looks and this expectation or pressure for women to do this to themselves.

There's a lot of money in the beauty industry and it is quite insidious how it relies on women feeling insecure about how they look.

I have regular botox in four spots, lip and dermal fillers, a full breast redesign (not just implants), permanent makeup, veneers, lash extensions, and a seven-hour grey-covering hair colouring procedure every 4 months. And somehow… no one has ever clocked any of it. Some women ask if my lashes are natural, i guess they are noticing the shed-and-refill cycle - and immediately ask for my technician's details.

My last ex was genuinely proud of my "natural beauty," always saying how fresh and young I looked straight out of the shower in jeans and a T-shirt, attributed it to clean eating and good exercise (which I do). He was vehemently against any surgery or hardcore cosmetic improvements, and I just didn’t have the heart to tell him he was admiring the combined efforts of half the aesthetic industry... only if he saw the service log.

It really is all about proportion. When you get the balance right, no one notices a thing.

There is a huge difference in Tv/film work about what is looked for in men and women. There’s continual outcry that women’s presenting career ends earlier than men’s due to their appearance. This drives women to have work done for the wrong reasons. Then they are on TV shows which starts making the public feel this is how it is.
Absolutely an individual can do what they like to themselves but I also struggle with how unfair it always is. Men are seen as aging handsomely and women get ugly as they age and need to stay youthful.

I will add that I watch a lot of German content, while there are obviously some folk who get 'work' it's definitely less of a trend than in some parts of the UK.

OP is commenting on women actively making a choice to inject botox in their faces thinking they will look better. I agree @GoingbackwardsForwards it looks weird. A new trend in the US is the maga look when you are supposed to looks weird.

A few acquaintances have obviously had Botox and/or filler. Yes, they look younger but for me it's the lack of expression that I find difficult. The subtle non verbal communication signals that people use is missing, makes them appear quite robotic and lacking in personality although they are probably not at all like that. I understand that people want to look and feel good but in my opinion, an expressive face is always more attractive. I hope it's a trend that dies off as my daughter gets older.

I was going to say the same, We've been to France, Amsterdam, Barcelona and Munich recently and you just don't see this in those countries. The only time we saw the big eyebrows, big lips, hair extensions and loads of make up was on British tourists. They seem much more natural over there.

Nah, I don't know about during her appearance on I'm a Celeb but I was watching an ep of her podcast the other day and she had a lot of the facial paralysis thing, I guess Botox-induced. I wondered if she looks that all the time but maybe she'd just had it done. Perhaps in preparation to go into the jungle.

If you're happy, great, but you're seriously fooling yourself if you think 'nobody has clocked any of it'. Asking if the lashes are natural suggests they don't look natural. Veneers are always obvious. 7 hours first a hair colour would 7 hours too much for me.

The thing is, naturally nobody would look like they did 20 years ago, and thus it's obvious from that alone that she's had stuff done.

The acronym for I’m a Celeb must take longer to think about and write than the full thing!

That aside, it’s more the endless fillers and make up style for me. So many young women looks the same nowadays.

Agree, and op bemoaning the fact that she’s no nice faces to look at. Poor op how will she cope.

women don’t owe you pretty mate.

What's scary is that for some its a slippery slope....botox and fillers seem harmless to some young women and these aesthetic procedures seem almost as routine and as safe as getting a facial....but they can be an entry level treatment that develops into looking at thread lifts and even face-lifts in their thirties.

A couple of years ago i was working on a project with a cosmetic surgeons clinic in London (non aesthetics role) and spent a lot of time there. I'd say at least 20 percent of the clients were there because previous procedures or surgery hadn't gone well...and some of these people had previously gone to well known practitioners and surgeons. I met a lady who'd paid 30,000 for a face-lift with a well known surgeon and had to give up her job because the outcome was so disfiguring and a younger girl who had dropped out of uni because of an issue with her fillers (it was very noticeable) there can be complications that mean they are not always simple to dissolve.

If these things were an exact science and the outcome guaranteed then id say, great, whatever makes people happy..but a bad result can be life changing for all the wrong reasons...sometimes even with a very experienced provider.

My concern is people are just taking these things too lightly now.

Ridiculous cosmetic interventions and surgery is a massive red flag for people who are more concerned with their appearance than anything substantial.

The thing is you may look 15 Yrs younger the first time but it doesn't last needs topping up quite frequently and when your a bit further down the line then you start looking just a bit unusual.. it's botox. It's toxic.. how can putting this in your face make you look better in the long run? No way am I being bitchy I'm concerned so many OK looking women think they need to be doing this.

I think sometimes people don’t realise how weird they look. Like boiled frog syndrome, tweak, another tweak, another tweak. You need to spend a lot of money for it to look good and often having Botox and filler at your local salon isn’t the best.

Why ask if the lashes are natural when it's clearly obvious they're not - it was not done with an intention to embarrass (both of these women are now clients of my lash lady)? I don't walk around with blinding turkey white veneers, cartoon duck lips, or gigantic boobs. Men who've slept with me, some for years, never even realised I had implants. British hairdressers (continental are much more clued up) never notice my colour isn't natural. My face is botoxed, lasered, resufaced and somehow still moves.
My point is that there is a version of cosmetic work that doesn't announce itself from across the room.

Like all things, a little goes a long way and can do a lot to make you look fresher and more relaxed. Its when its overdone that it starts to look so startlingly fake. It also has an effect subliminally....we had a very beautiful female executive at work who was very successful, worked hard, said all the right things....but as a female employee I just couldnt warm to her. For a while I thought it was my own unconcious bias at work.....then I realised, subconciously I didnt trust her because she had no expression. Because her face didnt move, she didnt feel sincere and my instinct was not to trust her. We actually need these social cues to feed in to us as part of living and working together. So by all means, do whatever makes you happy and feel confident, but remember that its pointless erasing all your individuality and human-ness.