To say that women look bloody weird ….

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.. when the only part of their face that moves is their mouth and eyes.

And don’t get me started on the massive fish lips.

Never see any naturally beautiful young women on TV these days. Such a shame

Each to their own blah blah. Good to feel good blah blah. Just jealous blah blah. It’s like we need an Allen Carr guide to Botox. You only think it makes you look good (arguable after a certain point) because society has made you so scared of aging. Allen Carr argues smokers think smoking relieves your nerves but actually it causes the nerves. It’s a pity we think we need it generally but crazy in the young too.

This. I think it’s terrifying raising girls in a world that frowns upon women looking their actual age as they grow older.

What is a pornbot space alien.

I don't care whether they're "beautiful" or not but I fucking hate it in films.

Saw the new Dracula film the other day, and the lead woman had a visible lip shelf from filler. Her character spanned through the 15th and 19th century. It looked bloody ridiculous and it certainly wasn't just me commenting on it either.

Each to their own and all that, but if your job is literally based around being able to pretend to be someone else and show emotions (in the cases of those with Botox) then it seems fucking absurd to freeze or stuff your face.

I personally think it looks ridiculous, and even the ones who say it's subtle and no one can tell are lying to themselves. Whenever people say this and point out they've had it done, it's always a case of, "well yes. I knew that. Normal lips don't have a shelf from the side.". It is what it is but people getting offended that others think it looks silly need to self reflect on why. It's not exactly a good standard to set for our daugnters; stuff your face with crap to fit beauty standards and the male gaze.

OP do you watch Selling Sunset? Even in season 1 they were always clearly Ladies who Maontained, but they're total uncanny valley now.
As for the blokes, it's now easy to tell identical twins Jason and Brett apart as Jason's face no longer moves. Was the weirdest thing watching him and Mary cry and mouth over their dog with their immobile faces.

I think if you are surrounded by the type of people for whom these kind of procedures are normal, then it seems normal to you. In your social circle, fillers and injections are the norm so it has changed your idea of ‘beauty’. We are all influenced by our peers to some extent.

What a lot of work to get at a young age.

I saw a video of Pete Burns the other day before he had any surgery. He was really nice looking. Such a shame. And it killed him in the end.

Some women look horrific if they get too much work done but the blame lies with the aestheticians if you ask me.

I do wonder if somome had haemorrhoids would someone accuse someone of being jealous, i do wonder the iq of those who throw the 'Youse are just jealous' line around

The blame lies with the brain who decided they needed it in the first place

Exactly this. The people in my circles are without any kind of work (span in ages from 30 - 56). We can spot it a mile away even when it's supposedly subtle work.

My hairdresser has her lips filled and says it's subtle and she's really happy with it, no one can tell, all her friends say it's barely visible, etc. I've seen her friends; they all have work done of their own in varying degrees. So maybe they do trick themselves subconsciously into believing that it's subtle.

I think in other cases people just won't tell someone to their face that they obviously look like they've had work done, because they want to spare their feelings.

I also think it depends what sort of media is consumed, to a degree. If someone spends a large portion of their time following celebrities with lots of work done then that sort of face becomes normalised in their minds. Whereas to others it looks strikingly uncanny.

The jealousy argument does baffle me, though. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be jealous of. I'm 36 and look my age; I have an expressive face and I enjoy that. I'm not scared of aging. I could more than afford to get work done, but frankly the idea of seeing myself with filled lips and facial filler is laughable. I like how I look, little lines and flaws and all.

You can't stop people being able to do what they want. It is driven by "fashion" just like in the 90s lots of plucked our eyebrows to smithereens, Currently its fashionable for the emotionless sex doll look with the oversized lips and lack of expression. Once this becomes the norm with the masses fashion for the next batch of youngsters with change. It's the normal cycle of fashion.

Well said. I am in my fifties and ageing pretty well I think. Nothing to envy here. I have enough money for any procedure I want.

But there is no way I want the fake look that’s fashionable in some circles. I feel very sorry for these people, and have seen gorgeous 18y olds getting lip filler.

I would never insult someone to their face. Of course not. But it’s fine to have a discussion about why people feel the need to do this now and be quite so scared of ageing. And it does have an impact on the next generation as it starts to change expectations of what people should look like as they age.

I feel very free that I don’t feel the pressure to inject myself for the rest of my life. I am happy, confident, enjoy looking good and have friends who are the same. But I don’t need to inject products into my face.

Maybe we need more threads like this so people will think twice about having their next injection, despite being all defensive on here. These threads may subconsciously deter some, which would be a good thing.

I'm also bemused by the jealousy accusations. Is it because the social groups that most like facial modifications view it as a sign of affluence and think the only reason you wouldn't is a lack of funds?

There are many women, including some famous actresses, who can afford to have it done but prefer not to.

I do think there is some direct link between intelligence/level of education and number of procedures done. Just my subjective observation really, I could be wrong.

It's not a look I particularly like but each to their own. I've never had botox or anything but did have Invisalign to improve my teeth and it made me feel so much better about myself so can see why people do it.

I do wonder how people afford it though, these things are so expensive!

I agree with you. It's such an odd accusation - why would I be jealous of people who need to inject toxins into their face to feel happy. It would be like being jealous of people who need antidepressants to live a normal life.

Few people set out to look ridiculous so either the procedure has gone wrong or they are delusional and have lost all perspective of how they appear to others. I see it as big badge of low self esteem and just feel a bit sorry for them that they felt the need to do that to themselves.

I've lost count how many times she's written 'pornbot space alien' .

But we are supposedly jealous if we dont do it we are told

i would like to be like kiera knightly who has clearly had some kind of neck work and famously does plump her lips but looks great with other wrinkles going on. But I'm guessing that look doesn't come cheap!

It's a very school playground kind of argument.

"She doesn't like me so she must be jealous of me."

Or the fact in childhood some parents have told their children that the reason a peer doesn't like them is down to jealousy, in order to spare their young feelings. This kind of belief perpetuates throughout life in some people, despite the actual reasoning for jealousy never making sense. It's a way for these people to self soothe; I don't believe they know they're doing it, but it's a mindset that's deeply entrenched.

Very possible that the people who say it are deeply jealous people themselves, and so they're projecting that out on to others who are more stable in their emotions. It's a way to dismiss legitimate comments and questions so that they don't need to examine their own behaviours.

Quite. There is an implicit level of narcissism to assume people are jealous of your choices.

Absolutely, I think you've hit the nail directly on the head there. It's absolutely narcissism and sadly it's an "acceptable" brand as it's usually flaunted under the flag of "Be Kind".

Jealous! Most of us are too polite to tell someone what we really think about the results of their procedures. I've known two people to have work done. The first was the seller of a house I viewed and honestly all I can remember about the visit was those lips because it was the first time I had seen anything like it in real life. Ridiculous. I have a family member who's had botox and fillers and honestly my first thoughts when I saw her new face on IG was that she looked so puffy and shiny she looked like someone unwell with heart failure or kidney disease but I would never say this to her.