That Boris Johnson and Matt Hancock should be prosecuted for the avoidable Covid deaths

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The part 2 report of the Covid inquiry finds that at least 20,000 deaths were avoidable, had restrictions come in a week earlier.

Various other findings confirming the failures of Mr Johnson and Mr Hancock.

I think they should face criminal charges, such as corporate manslaughter given government is an employer. AIBU

Do you have an example of a real pandemic?

Janiie and I have had many discussions about Johnson and cake

Like I said, people prepared to endorse and excuse Johnson aren't going to change.

Not in my lifetime no.

Yes. I now have a permanent autoimmune disease as a result of that vaccination requiring weekly hospital treatment 🤬

Hindsight is wonderful isn't it?

Wet markets for months on here. People got aggressive over that too. Bizarre.

I don't need hindsight. As far as I was concerned Johnson was a lazy self serving man who was unfit to be PM way before he was elected.

There's no reason to think it will be 100 years or 102 years! Pandemics can happen any time. Besides, although we are naturally more concerned about our friends and relatives, we should also try to protect the wider population - they are all somebody's relative!

Weren't you alive during Covid? You must be very young!

Boris and his cronies failed spectacularly during the pandemic, and I think that they should have to answer for those failings. I would like to see them hauled in front of a parliamentary committee or similar. Perhaps even some sort of panel bringing together people who were negatively affected by their decisions.

I don't think prosecution is the way forward though. Every single government fails to a greater or lesser degree in one area or another, and we don't want to set a precedent whereby we start prosecuting all of them. Nobody would ever be willing to go into politics!

It was a pandemic. You are deluded and should be ashamed of yourself for believing silly conspiracy nonsense. Thank goodness most people are more rational.

... a lab in Wuhan dabbles in modifying viruses but let's blame the bats and grim 'wet markets'. The CCP must've pissed themselves laughing at that one

They may well have done, @Janiie, but don't forget the regime originally tried to block a WHO investigative visit and that they got nowhere even when eventually admitted

I'd have thought such an organisation would have understood that face-saving is an absolute priority in China, but then there were also comments at the time about the funding they receive from the CCP so perhaps they didn't want to push too hard?

Edited to add I just looked it up and they're giving even more now, so I guess that's the end of any objectivity around Chinese issues on the WHO's part
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/china-give-500-million-who-next-5-years-official-says-2025-05-20/

There's a concept in some industries known as "just culture" that might be handy here..

If an individual gets caught out by circumstances/make an honest error then hopefully there should be no sanctions..(doesn't always work like that but that's the theory).

if OTOH they act recklessly or are negligent then there will be sanctions.

I guess the question with regard to the UK, some of it's politicians and Covid is which category would not attending important meetings, poor provision of PPE or (as is sometimes claimed) delaying lockdown to facilitate important events fall into??

A pandemic will always be a conflict of requirements. Does the Wales FM get hauled up for higher death rate?

If there’s a pandemic next week we wouldn’t have furlough and the current lot would see much higher death count, it wouldn’t be partygate that’s the issue.

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2025-11-20/praise-and-criticism-for-drakeford-in-covid-inquiry-report
Covid Inquiry: Praise and criticism levied at FM Mark Drakeford's response

Margaret Thatcher would have understood the science and the concept of exponential growth. And there would have been no Downing Street parties or anyone testing their eyesight 200 miles away.

Mumsnet deleted my post? Why? Did my facts offend some people’s feeling or is it Mumsnet policy?

Every single thing I said in my post was real life data driven. Happy to list sources but suspect I won’t get the opportunity.

I think most politicians from the mid-20th century would have managed Covid better and with greater integrity. Back then, without social media, politicians had more time to consider options and decide which was best. Now, unless you have a video response on TikTok within minutes you are behind the story.

But it is shite policy-making. I have generally rated Lady Justice Hallett until this week, but I think her political petticoat is showing.

But a witch hunt was totally unnecessary. - but was inevitable. In the process of trying to make sure that the right things are done next time it is impossible not to look at the failures that occurred.

And the fact that those failures were not based on absence of knowledge but on sheer arrogance, buffoonery and profiteering.

None of that should go unmentioned - and if that constitutes a witch hunt then so be it.

My late OH, a doctor who died at the beginning of the pandemic, had long predicted a global pandemic - if he knew, then the scientists knew and it beggars belief that we were not better prepared.

Just looked at your accounts Mumsnet. You were steady at c.2 mill profit up to 2021, now at 7.8 mill. Huge increase in 2023/2024 in a such a short space of time when social media has overtaken forums like this. Almost unheard of. What is your secret?

She was appointed by Johnson. So why do you now think her political petticoat is showing?

What's that got to do with the thread?