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That Boris Johnson and Matt Hancock should be prosecuted for the avoidable Covid deaths

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LlynTegid · 20/11/2025 17:31

The part 2 report of the Covid inquiry finds that at least 20,000 deaths were avoidable, had restrictions come in a week earlier.

Various other findings confirming the failures of Mr Johnson and Mr Hancock.

I think they should face criminal charges, such as corporate manslaughter given government is an employer. AIBU

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Janiie · 22/11/2025 16:17

DuncinToffee · 22/11/2025 16:11

The information isn’t that useful.

In your opnion

Well that's all this panel shared, their opinions none of which were of much use 'lockdowns were harmful/we should've locked down sooner'🙄.

TooBigForMyBoots · 22/11/2025 16:21

The focus of the enquiry went way beyond Lockdowns. Lockdowns were only part of it.

Mischance · 22/11/2025 16:25

lazyarse123 · 20/11/2025 17:34

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Do i think they got it wrong? Yes I do. Do i have any idea what they should have done? No i don't.

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At the very least staying sober and taking it seriously would have been a good start.....
People died while Boris was buffooning around.

Nellielephant · 22/11/2025 16:26

If the enquiry had the aim of learning lessons for the future it would have been fine. But a witch hunt was totally unnecessary. Whichever government had been in power would have made mistakes. By the current government’s record it could have been even worse. The Covid pandemic was an unprecedented situation and many of the decisions were reactive.

ilovesooty · 22/11/2025 16:34

Nellielephant · 22/11/2025 16:26

If the enquiry had the aim of learning lessons for the future it would have been fine. But a witch hunt was totally unnecessary. Whichever government had been in power would have made mistakes. By the current government’s record it could have been even worse. The Covid pandemic was an unprecedented situation and many of the decisions were reactive.

Why are you trying to make it a party political issue? Johnson was unfit for public office in the first place, and just about any political figure as PM, of any party would have been less damaging than he was.

imfabul0us · 22/11/2025 16:51

@LlynTegid
YANBU at all but nothing will happen to them or the people who made millions from dodgy Covid contracts. The fact that people are still defending/excusing them is appalling and they should take a long, hard look at themselves.
It has all made me finally realise that the UK is utterly corrupt.

DonicaLewinsky · 22/11/2025 16:51

charliehungerford · 22/11/2025 11:12

I think by ‘we’ it’s meant the UK as a whole, working together with Scotland and wales it would have been possible , aside from NI the UK is an island. You could have temporarily restricted movement between the mainland and NI, or insisted on testing and seven days quarantine for people travelling between the two areas, but I think it would just have prolonged the inevitable.

I can't see how that would've been practical either. The problem with wanting to quarantine drivers is that you then need enough drivers to replace them in the supply chain, whether that's between continental Europe and Britain or Britain and NI.

Certainly some of the stuff the UK imports is unnecessary, but we also don't make enough of the essentials, and there's no guarantee it would've been straightforward to separate it all out.

lazyarse123 · 22/11/2025 16:53

Mischance · 22/11/2025 16:25

At the very least staying sober and taking it seriously would have been a good start.....
People died while Boris was buffooning around.

I know they got it wrong. The big difference is i didn't need a 200 million pounds enquiry to tell me that. The enquiry won't bring anyone back and no "lessons will be learnt". So seriously what was the point?

JLou08 · 22/11/2025 16:55

YABU. I don't like the pair, or the tories in general but I don't think they can be blamed based on hindsight from one report. None of us knew for sure what to do and weren't there another report that said no lives were saved from lockdowns?

EasternStandard · 22/11/2025 16:56

lazyarse123 · 22/11/2025 16:53

I know they got it wrong. The big difference is i didn't need a 200 million pounds enquiry to tell me that. The enquiry won't bring anyone back and no "lessons will be learnt". So seriously what was the point?

And Wales had a higher death rate so even if it’s lock them down and shut the aisles it makes no odds.

notimagain · 22/11/2025 17:11

@DonicaLewinsky

I can't see how that would've been practical either. The problem with wanting to quarantine drivers is that you then need enough drivers to replace them in the supply chain, whether that's between continental Europe and Britain or Britain and NI

Agreed..it was similar with the "drivers, airframe" bringing freight in.

I'm pretty sure some would have been OK for people in the logistics industry to had some sort of bizarre homeless existence forced on them for months on end just so the supermarkets and pharmacies could stay stocked up.

I think the closest any state got to trying that was Hong Kong..

DonicaLewinsky · 22/11/2025 17:18

notimagain · 22/11/2025 17:11

@DonicaLewinsky

I can't see how that would've been practical either. The problem with wanting to quarantine drivers is that you then need enough drivers to replace them in the supply chain, whether that's between continental Europe and Britain or Britain and NI

Agreed..it was similar with the "drivers, airframe" bringing freight in.

I'm pretty sure some would have been OK for people in the logistics industry to had some sort of bizarre homeless existence forced on them for months on end just so the supermarkets and pharmacies could stay stocked up.

I think the closest any state got to trying that was Hong Kong..

Mmm, I expect so. Quite what they thought was going to happen when the drivers said thanks but no thanks and quit, I don't know.

The reality is that in order to have a model where you quarantine people bringing supplies into the country, you need a loooooot of slack in the system. That is not something that our 2020 supply chain had in abundance.

Elizabethandfour · 22/11/2025 17:23

The inquiry was a load of nonsense. Lockdowns should never have happened. The government’s own report said that lockdowns would kill people but they did it anyway except for themselves of course as they weren’t scared. I think they should be in prison for life, not for not locking down sooner but for their part in the psychological operation that was the ‘pandemic’. Not to mention the unsafe and ineffective vaccine that they pushed on a brainwashed public.

EasternStandard · 22/11/2025 17:25

notimagain · 22/11/2025 17:11

@DonicaLewinsky

I can't see how that would've been practical either. The problem with wanting to quarantine drivers is that you then need enough drivers to replace them in the supply chain, whether that's between continental Europe and Britain or Britain and NI

Agreed..it was similar with the "drivers, airframe" bringing freight in.

I'm pretty sure some would have been OK for people in the logistics industry to had some sort of bizarre homeless existence forced on them for months on end just so the supermarkets and pharmacies could stay stocked up.

I think the closest any state got to trying that was Hong Kong..

Agree. There’s no way this would work. If pp looked at quarantine measures in Aus and even then cases got out and Melbourne suffered long lockdowns.

Plus Whitty confirmed border closure was impossible.

DuncinToffee · 22/11/2025 17:25

Elizabethandfour · 22/11/2025 17:23

The inquiry was a load of nonsense. Lockdowns should never have happened. The government’s own report said that lockdowns would kill people but they did it anyway except for themselves of course as they weren’t scared. I think they should be in prison for life, not for not locking down sooner but for their part in the psychological operation that was the ‘pandemic’. Not to mention the unsafe and ineffective vaccine that they pushed on a brainwashed public.

Why do you put pandemic in quotation marks?

DuncinToffee · 22/11/2025 17:28

Janiie · 22/11/2025 16:17

Well that's all this panel shared, their opinions none of which were of much use 'lockdowns were harmful/we should've locked down sooner'🙄.

The panel's opinions are based on interviews and evidence of those involved with the decision making.

Yours?

Luna6 · 22/11/2025 17:31

BlakeCarrington · 20/11/2025 17:39

What a massive fucking waste of everybody’s time and money this whole enquiry has been.

Couldn’t agree more. It changes nothing. Let’s face it they were damned if they did and damned if they didn’t. We did the same as many other countries. I wonder what their post Covid and lockdown enquiries show.

Janiie · 22/11/2025 17:46

DuncinToffee · 22/11/2025 17:28

The panel's opinions are based on interviews and evidence of those involved with the decision making.

Yours?

Oh well let me see, living through it? Listening to Whitty and Vallance every day as opposed to the hysterical media? This silly Lady Whoever says lockdown should have happened a week earlier yet literally from the beginning of March we were told on an escalating weekly basis to change behaviours. To self isolate if any symptoms, then middle of March told to wfh, avoid social contact avoid vulnerable households etc so non mandatory guidance was already in place well before the March 23rd 'stay at home'.

We need an inquiry into Hallett's £200 million 'report' and why the widely discredited Neil Ferguson was even given the slightest bit of credibility. They also should all attend a time management course stat. The pandemic ended over 3yrs ago why has it taken this long.

China. When will they be held accountable?

DuncinToffee · 22/11/2025 17:51

Janiie · 22/11/2025 17:46

Oh well let me see, living through it? Listening to Whitty and Vallance every day as opposed to the hysterical media? This silly Lady Whoever says lockdown should have happened a week earlier yet literally from the beginning of March we were told on an escalating weekly basis to change behaviours. To self isolate if any symptoms, then middle of March told to wfh, avoid social contact avoid vulnerable households etc so non mandatory guidance was already in place well before the March 23rd 'stay at home'.

We need an inquiry into Hallett's £200 million 'report' and why the widely discredited Neil Ferguson was even given the slightest bit of credibility. They also should all attend a time management course stat. The pandemic ended over 3yrs ago why has it taken this long.

China. When will they be held accountable?

But we were lucky with Johnson as PM Grin

EasternStandard · 22/11/2025 17:53

Janiie · 22/11/2025 17:46

Oh well let me see, living through it? Listening to Whitty and Vallance every day as opposed to the hysterical media? This silly Lady Whoever says lockdown should have happened a week earlier yet literally from the beginning of March we were told on an escalating weekly basis to change behaviours. To self isolate if any symptoms, then middle of March told to wfh, avoid social contact avoid vulnerable households etc so non mandatory guidance was already in place well before the March 23rd 'stay at home'.

We need an inquiry into Hallett's £200 million 'report' and why the widely discredited Neil Ferguson was even given the slightest bit of credibility. They also should all attend a time management course stat. The pandemic ended over 3yrs ago why has it taken this long.

China. When will they be held accountable?

Well it won’t but posters didn’t want to hear about the lab thing at the time. That was odd.

Janiie · 22/11/2025 17:58

DuncinToffee · 22/11/2025 17:51

But we were lucky with Johnson as PM Grin

Yep, glad you agree. I knew you'd get there eventually.

DuncinToffee · 22/11/2025 17:59

Janiie · 22/11/2025 17:58

Yep, glad you agree. I knew you'd get there eventually.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/22/boris-johnson-took-four-days-off-as-nhs-warned-covid-could-overwhelm-system?

Great guy, hardworking

Janiie · 22/11/2025 18:01

EasternStandard · 22/11/2025 17:53

Well it won’t but posters didn’t want to hear about the lab thing at the time. That was odd.

I know. Oo a lab in Wuhan dabbles in modifying viruses but let's blame the bats and grim 'wet markets'. The CCP must've pissed themselves laughing at that one.

Elizabethandfour · 22/11/2025 18:01

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ilovesooty · 22/11/2025 18:02

Bone idle and indulged for his entire life. Someone on Facebook has just told me he was the best PM since Churchill 🤣

Evidently plenty of Johnson apologists still about. She was slobbering over him like Nadine Dorries did.

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