That Boris Johnson and Matt Hancock should be prosecuted for the avoidable Covid deaths

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The part 2 report of the Covid inquiry finds that at least 20,000 deaths were avoidable, had restrictions come in a week earlier.

Various other findings confirming the failures of Mr Johnson and Mr Hancock.

I think they should face criminal charges, such as corporate manslaughter given government is an employer. AIBU

Are we not actually sicker as a nation to start with?

The man up the road died because he had chronic health conditions and was lonely as hell as people couldn't call round for a chat.
He rang me one day as he'd fallen and his carers wouldn't come up early to help him get up off the floor. He told me he'd had enough and didn't want to live any more.

There were deaths locally directed attributed to covid were mostly at one location
https://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/139/main-news/134971/30-covid-deaths-at-one-care-home-in-oldham

I doubt if anyone takes Nadine Dorries seriously anyway.

As far as I'm concerned Johnson apologists are no better than he is.

Obesity rate and health in older age is a factor.

No it wasn't. The hysterical media accused him of all sorts conveniently ignoring everything he did well. Some people lapped it all up as they do everything the media feed them. I mean seriously have some of you forgotten Sue Grey's 'impartial report', the very same person who went on to be appointed some senior role with Labour?! Quelle surprise.

Anyway, when the next pandemic comes round the hopeless bunch in place at the mo will be long gone.

Hopefully we’ll all be long gone before there’s another pandemic.

I doubt it. China haven’t incurred any penalties whatsoever. They'll be onto the next bigger and better version, mrna resistant this time.
We'll be having the 'can my next door neighbour's cousin's brother be in my bubble' in no time.

It was only after partygate the public went a bit nuts. Before that the local elections showed high support.

If there’s another one soon whatever angered people last time will seem minor to not being able to fund stuff.

It's been a while since we last discussed this 'ambushed by a cake' and Sue Gray.

The latter was appointed by Johnson to investigate partygate

There was an interesting discussion on radio 4 earlier about this.

Perhaps they should be prosecuted for corruption and mismanagement.

I'm firmly of the opinion they should not be prosecuted because people died of a novel virus.

But our children and grandchildren won't be.

Also it depends on the age of the poster. Some could see more pandemics.

Whilst I am no fan of them, particularly Matt Hancock, who I think is utterly odious, I think they did their best in a situation that was totally unprecedented. Remember there were countries who didn't lock down at all.

I do admire the fact that Bojo had planned a raid on the vaccine factories abroad if they refused to hand over the vaccines that he had reserved. He got us all vaccinated - and pretty quickly. I personally feel the vaccine saved my life - I was extremely ill from the 1st vaccine, and very ill with covid itself a few months later - without the vaccine I very easily could be dead. Me and my DB just happened to be people who were heavily affected by the way the virus works (only 40s, no underlying conditions). My DB was in intensive care on a ventilator in a very seriously life threatening situation.

well my youngest grandchild is 7 months So she's be 95 if the pandemic comes 100 years after the last one. Or 97 if it's a 102 years like last time

My children definitely will and if it’s a once in a century phenomenon so will my grandchildren.

I agree that Thatcher might have managed it far better. And she would have spelled out the harms caused by lockdowns, making them crystal clear, whether those whispering in her ear wanted her to, or not. In her time, it was far more acceptable for politicians to speak the blunt economic truth.

Maybe for natural occurring pandemics, not man made ones from laboratories in China with seemingly slapdash security measures in place.

Chris Whitty told us on many a press conference that the damage caused by 'lockdowns' had to be balanced against the damage caused by letting it rip with no restrictions.

We all knew the potential harms but what was the alternative? We had school teacher after school teacher on here stating their concerns so if the government hadn't told them to shut schools the unions would have probably forced the issue anyway.

YABVU OP

The more I read about this report the more appalled I am. What a complete waste of £200 million. Five years down the line we have so much data and yet they used a deeply flawed computer model as 'evidence'. They take no account of the social and economic costs of lockdown, and no account of deaths caused by lockdown (eg heart attacks, and late diagnosed cancers).

It gives us nothing to make us better prepared for the next scare, and Lady Hallett can get in the bin, she's done a crap job.

No. The govt could save 20,000 lives in two years by banning alcohol. At a lesser infringement of liberties than lockdown was.

Why don’t we prosecute all former PMs who failed to do that?

Obviously because it’s a political / social trade off. And who is the legitimate party to make those decisions, if not the democratically elected govt.

It’s not even as if Boris was governing against type. We elected a shambolic, libertarian-instinct PM and he governed to type.

Not sure about her personally but agree it’s a really poor enquiry. One off, loads of money and nothing to show for it.

Did you go to any of the public hearings or read the written transcript to see Lady Hallett in action? You haven’t even read the title of this report:

covid19.public-inquiry.uk/news/inquiry-publishes-second-report-and-19-recommendations-examining-core-uk-decision-making-and-political-governance/

This report is on Module 2, which was on Core Decision Making and Political Governance.

You haven’t grasped there are 10 Modules and this is just the report on Module 2; and there have been Modules 3 - 9 since then. I dare say reports on those Modules will be published eventually.

The public hearings for Module 10 on Impacts on Society, start on February 16th 2026 and go on into March. I imagine things like heart attacks, cancer, mental health, etc will be dealt with in that Module?

I don’t see how you can give an informed opinion on anything to do with this inquiry?

Those who don't learn the lessons of the past are destined to repeat their mistakes.

There is a lot of resistance to learning on this thread. It doesn't surprise me.🙄

Not at all although this post isn’t surprising.

The information isn’t that useful.

The information isn’t that useful.

In your opnion

This first para is missing info.

And it’s lock down a week earlier or not at all, apparently if that’s even possible to be determined, overall death rate may not have changed.

It gives no indication how to assess when to lockdown for the next pandemic.