That Boris Johnson and Matt Hancock should be prosecuted for the avoidable Covid deaths

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The part 2 report of the Covid inquiry finds that at least 20,000 deaths were avoidable, had restrictions come in a week earlier.

Various other findings confirming the failures of Mr Johnson and Mr Hancock.

I think they should face criminal charges, such as corporate manslaughter given government is an employer. AIBU

The official death toll is a work of fiction though. So that 20k figure is not reliable in any way.

And you do realise that this enquiry was always going to reccomend the state should have locked people up earlier. The "findings" will be used as a stick to beat us into submission when the next pandemic comes along.

"Disease X" is already a topic of much discussion at the WHO.

I think the main take-home messages are:

1. Don't vote Tory
2. Be grateful you're not in China

I'll never forget that quarantining family in China being locked in to burn alive.

This bit from the BBC regarding the report despite their headline of

“UK did 'too little, too late', leading to thousands more Covid deaths, says inquiry”

Goes onto to say.

“The report said lockdowns, while helping save lives, left lasting scars on society, bringing ordinary childhood to a halt, delaying treatment of non-Covid health conditions and worsening inequalities.

It said the modelling which shows 23,000 deaths could have been saved by locking down a week earlier than 23 March 2020 would have equated to 48% fewer deaths in the first wave to 1 July 2020.

But the report does not suggest the overall death toll for the pandemic – 227,000 in the UK by the time it was declared over in 2023 – would have been reduced.

That is very difficult to tell, as it depends on a variety of other factors that could have reduced or increased the number of deaths as the pandemic progressed.”
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In other words they can’t say one way or another………quelle surprise. And how much of taxpayers money has been spent on this lining the pockets of those involved to come up with this?

To 3/23 costs of £22.4m in total

www.covid19.public-inquiry.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/UK-Covid-19-Inquiry-Financial-Report-for-the-year-ending-31-March-2023.pdf

How has this random 23,000 been arrived at? Seems very precise to be genuine.

Indeed. My daughter was already working from home in February and my son and his friends were not going into school from the beginning of March.

Most of us were watching and waiting for some firm direction from Boris Johnson and the Government.

Johnson didn't attend any Cobra meetings.

Seems like the blinding obvious message. Those who were vulnerable (including the oldies who don’t like to think they are old) stay at home for a few months - meet outside. General population - do as much as you can outdoors (including schools). Let those who earn and drive an economy continue to work. There will be awful situations for many people and the unfortunate significant minority of people who should be ok but react very badly to a virus/ the vaccine. However, we cannot just shrug shoulders and say forget about it. One day there will be a virus that targets kids not the older population. We do need some rationality here and to think about how we cope with this in the future.

Are you sure you're talking about Mnetters here?

Most posters followed the rules. Some were quiet emphatic about people following the rules to the letter. Accusing all and sundry of being granny killing monsters for letting their kids play in the garden.

The lockdown rules were backed by law, enforced by the police. And hospitals and shop owners, even undertakers. Breaking them was not as easy or widespread as you're making out. Unless you were a member of the government.

Johnson's government got it wrong on nearly every single level. Covid was bad enough. Our government made it worse than it needed to be.

'Oldies' drive the economy because they are the ones with the most money.

Can you define the age of 'oldies'?

And all those new mothers abandoned by midwives and health visitors my daughter had zero help, almost no medical care, was left alone after a C section, and she's one of the lucky ones.

I’m no Boris fan, but the UK was ill prepared for covid and this isn’t all down to Boris. Boris took advice from professionals and clearly had a lot to balance. Most countries made mistakes with Covid. Boris was told that herd immunity was the way to go, so didn’t call a lockdown for longer due to that. Of course lessons will be learned, but hindsight is a wonderful thing and you cannot blame them when they were clearly taking advice.

They could have followed the scientific advice.

There should have been an all-party coalition emergency government. That might have prevented the colossal waste of money on contracts for their mates.

On MN and in the general pop. people were amazed were weren't locking down earlier.
Theis was the main view, of course there were a few outliers, now of course, the room is full of people who say LDs were a mistake etc.

Compliance in the 1st LD was very high.

Johnson and Hancock should be on trial for what they did to care homes, to the health service, PPE, Parties, the ridiculous rules eg can't stop to sit on a park bench... but ok for Hancock to be fucking his secretary! or Cummings to test his eye sight.
Meanwhile my DD had a mask that she was told would have to last her a week, as she carried out adult social care.

These people took us for fools, it was a power trip for them, they couldn't give a shit about us.

Not all the vulnerable are old. My daughter (40) was more vulnerable than me (65) due to medical conditions.

Spanish Flu attacked the young and killed more people than Ww1. There has already been experience of this.

If it’s true they delayed the first lockdown so Johnson and his wife could proceed with their baby shower then yes, he should be prosecuted. He wilfully allowed people to die for the sake of a personal event.

It’s very low learning reading that. An immense amount of time and not much is said. Let alone what it means for the next virus.

Haven’t RTFT as I’ve only just seen it, but what a crass, insensitive post. I’m sure there are many more on the thread.

Over 230,000 families lost loved ones in this country (see my user name that I’ve resurrected for this report publication) and deserve an explanation for the shit show in No 10 at that time. They had a fucking party in Downing Street on the night my DH died.

A pandemic was top of the national risk register for years prior to covid so they should have been better prepped. Instead they laegely ignored the lessons of the 2018 national pandemic prep exercise.

The advice that no-one wanted them to take. If you care to remember the howls of outrage over the first lockdown (and I don't believe that a single week would have made the difference that they say it would).

I do agree to some degree about the PPE contracts. And I'm equally unconvinced about a cross party coalition - just more politicians squabbling.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing

Whilst I dont think the Tories will be in power any time soon ,do you really believe the pandemic would have been handled any better under Labour?

No there wasn't, it had excellent compliance as people could see what was happening in mainland Europe.

The protests came in the 2nd and 3rd LDs.

Its funny how people call for an inquiry but then rubbish it when it comes up with answers they dont like, especially if they criticise their party of choice.

As for the pp who said they'd have died later anyway, so fucking what? i'd have given my eye teeth for my mum to have lived a few months longer.

Do you really think Starmer or Corbyn would have had parties in Downing street?

I also don't believe any other party would have run down pandemic stocks, another result of Austerity.

There were big public events that went on in the week prior to lockdown that served as superspreaders.

I don't remember any outcry about the first lockdown, certainly not among people I knew. Some people were agonising about events they'd booked and paid for and were glad to have the decision taken out of their hands. People I knew observed the lockdown rules.

The coalition idea isn't hindsight it's what I thought at the time.

Regardless if the parties i dont think the outcomes would hsve been.any better no

Rubbish OP. No one, including the government could have predicted this and tbh anything they did would have been heavily criticised. I do not wish to defend the Tory government but frankly I'm not sure what else they could have done. Hindsight is always 20:20 as they say.