Son not invited to friend’s birthday party (13)

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My son is part of a group of a dozen or so boys in our smallish community who went to the local primary school together and then moved to the secondary school. Much bigger as it takes in from all the villages etc.

It was one of the boy’s birthdays and, it turns out, he had a birthday party at what looks to be a kind of snooker, bowling type place. I only know because his mum just shared all the photos on Facebook.

all of the boys from the group were there. My son had not been invited.

The family live a few doors down and whilst as parents were not friends on our own, we are friendly because our boys are.

Most nights, all of them are playing online together. As they are right now!

I feel really angry and upset that my son didn’t even get an invite. I’ve not asked him about it because I don’t know what to say. Am I wrong to think this is a bit of a crap thing to do? He’s absolutely the only one not invited. I know all of them as they’ve grown up together. It feels really exclusionary.

my son and the birthday boy did have a really small falling out perhaps 8 or 9 months ago but it was all done and dusted in a day and was nothing major. O even spoke with his mum above it.

i feel so sad that my son wasn’t included. And honestly, annoyed. Who does that? I would understand if it was just 2 or 3 pals but it is absolutely all of them!!!

Ah well you are being biased here.
It also can mean solidarity with a Terrorist led government that is in the majority supported by the people of that country.
But of course as you are biased you would not put that third option.

How is it anti-Semitic? Neither OP or the twat mum are Jewish. You get that, right?

Not everything is anti-Semitic.

By your logic supporting Israel could also mean supporting the terrorist IDF.

That won’t register in her mind as there aren’t Jews involved.

True but neither do you have a platform to decide genocide.

It is no bias to explain other interpretations of what is after all simply a national flag.

“Terrorist sympathiser” was already covered by the poster I responded to, if you read their post.

I don't think you help your argument, (whatever it is).

Unfortunately most international bodies are now too politicised to make any non biased judgement. South Africa has its own motives to bring that case, not all of them good. I would give a bit more thought about why the word "genocide" is being used in particular in this case.

Incidentally the ICJ have not ruled that Israel have committed a genocide. That will take years to establish if at all.

Ah I see you have ignored what I wrote and again showed more bias as the IDF are not a terrorist organisation…..except of course in your biased mind.

Very very good distinguishing of two very different things.

Can I ask you though, have you watched much or any citizen journalist footage of antifa / TRA / Palestine type protests? I can have sympathy with people showing collective will and sending a simple message (eg "stop Israel bombing Gaza - feed the palestinians")... but my sympathy falls through the floor when they do nothing more than aggressively chant, accuse anyone not with them of being a fascist, and absolutely 100% refuse to engage in EXPLAINing their precise beliefs let alone arguing and justifying them.

In a hypothetical ideal world the right to protest would come with a legal obligation to use facts, logic and reason to justify your position, and a legal obligation to not just throw around unfounded accusations at everyone not chanting your own mantras.

And I’m not deciding genocide, that’s the point.

True.

The word "machete" was forever changed in my mind after Rwanda.

indiscriminate killing of civilians equals terrorists. End of.

Whether there has or hasn't been one hasn't been decided by anyone or any court. So let's just leave it as a moot point.

Ah yes international bodies are too biased, only you can see it right?

I did not say the ICJ have made any ruling, in fact I explained Israel have had an extension until Jan 2026 to submit their case.

You only have to read this thread to see how divided people’s opinions are.

I'm a firm believer that politics and religion should be kept out of the workplace and off the street for these reasons.

Whatever you’re opinions OP, this other woman is also entitled to hers, and at age 13 if she wants to protect her child from being surrounded by those until he’s old enough to form his own educated opinion then you need to respect it.

FWIW, I agree with it, I’m sorry your son has been excluded but this is on you.

Yes your bias is clearly showing.
And you are wrong.😂

Ok so we have established that a genocide has not been established. So probably a bit premature for you to discuss it so adamantly on this thread.

No. People fly flags to signify their support of something to like minded people and as a reminder to people that the cause exists. That doesn't mean these people don't also engage in discussion and debate where circumstances allow.
Obviously there are people who are for example, flying George crosses at present who wouldn't have the first clue why, other than vaguely because they don't agree with immigration. They probably do avoid debate as they will have little to say. I've met a number of them.
However there must I'm sure be others who will be able to explain what tying flags to lamp posts and drawing red crosses on white vans is designed to achieve and how. Presumably.

I think that's a poor argument.

If you're going down the anti-IDF route then surely the argument is that a first world-military with widespread western and especially US backing should be able to c;learly and easily take the moral high ground when their enemies are the most despicable of anti-semitic, islamist terrorists?

Surely the argument is that they are not terrorists so should be held to high, western moral standards.

IDF soldiers have admitted it but we should believe you? Ok.

And it doesn’t surprise me to see you use the laugh emoji at people dying.

The IDF kills for fun and to kill as many Palestinians as possible. That’s terrorism.

The problem is that they're not her consequences. Her child is the one suffering those consequences and it is a bad society that tells people their family will be the ones to suffer should they choose to express political views. There a whole history lesson on that.

Presumably the mum will have told her son this as she will have had to say something about not inviting him.
So I imagine DS already knows this.
Teenagers will make friends with people with all kinds of different views. I think you just need to discuss things generally with teens and hope you've done a good enough job to ensure they remain decent humans.

[Without expressing a view on the truth of your assertion].

No, if it is done by an army it is a war crime. Arguably a war crime committed by an army is much worse than an act of terrorism committed by terrorists. Terrorists are outlaw extremist groups who kill for political aims, and we rightfully have zero expectations that terrorists do any good at all. It is worse if similar horrors are being carried out by a well-funded, western backed army, who should be able to behave better than terrorists.

Ah but she is biased though so you know.
I suppose it highlights how very very much bias and propaganda and lies there is worldwide about this conflict though.
So much political point scoring and taking sides that is counterproductive to actually moving forward and I’m not talking about on Mumsnet but worldwide.
Everyone has very entrenched views and the ability to move forward just doesn’t seem to be option as it appears to be more important to score political points against those you are biased against.