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The 2 child benefit cap lift will be cancelled out by the weekly benefit cap

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Pinkbowls · 12/11/2025 13:24

I keep seeing all this talk about families with 6+ kids “racking it in” if the two-child benefit cap is lifted, and honestly, it’s hogwash. Here’s the reality:

If the Labour government does lift the two-child cap, it will mainly help low-income working families and families who are claiming disability benefits. These households aren’t subject to the cap, so the poorest families and those who genuinely need extra support for a third or fourth child are the ones who will benefit.

For a single adult with two children outside London, the monthly benefit cap is around £1,832 (~£423 per week). In London, it’s higher, about £2,108 per month (~£486 per week).

Now let’s break it down roughly for someone renting privately:

  • Assume the standard allowance + personal allowance for the adult + child elements (for 2 kids) = around £1,200–£1,300/month.
  • Private rent in many parts of the UK, and especially in London, can easily eat £800–£1,200/month.
  • Add council tax support (which helps a bit, but only partially) and you can see that most of the cap is already taken up.

So in reality, lifting the two-child cap doesn’t suddenly create a pile of extra cash. For families on benefits but below the cap, the extra child element for a third or fourth child may only leave a modest amount after rent and council tax.

The idea that parents with 6+ children will suddenly be sitting on a fortune is completely overblown. The system is designed so that the support goes to those who genuinely need it, not to families already comfortably above the threshold.

The main winners of this policy will be:

  • Low-income working families who are earning enough to be under the cap and can actually receive the child element for additional children.
  • Families claiming disability benefits, who aren’t subject to the cap at all.

It’s important to separate myths from reality: this is about helping the most vulnerable and supporting working families, not about rewarding large families for being on benefits.

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Leavesfalling · 13/11/2025 08:51

AlexisP90 · 13/11/2025 08:06

"Coming out in their droves on this thread"

Because we are fucking fed up! Fed up with paying mental mortgage rates, fed up with every bill increasing every single month, fed up with having to work our fucking asses off to be left with hardly anything at the end of the moth and fed up with having to limit the number if children we would like to have because we dont get a fucking penny of help!

Stop cash all together. Give people a voucher that can only be spent on kids stuff and essential food.

Anyone claiming benefits should not be able to save a single penny. It should be there to support the CHILDREN.

Comments saying people want the kids to starve. Of course we fucking dont. The reality is though that this money isnt always going on the children.

100%

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 13/11/2025 09:03

I won't even mention the "Help to Save" scheme then although it is for those working and claiming UC. You might have a heart attack. Fancy not even wanting some mother to save for Christmas.

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 13/11/2025 09:05

AlexisP90 · 13/11/2025 08:06

"Coming out in their droves on this thread"

Because we are fucking fed up! Fed up with paying mental mortgage rates, fed up with every bill increasing every single month, fed up with having to work our fucking asses off to be left with hardly anything at the end of the moth and fed up with having to limit the number if children we would like to have because we dont get a fucking penny of help!

Stop cash all together. Give people a voucher that can only be spent on kids stuff and essential food.

Anyone claiming benefits should not be able to save a single penny. It should be there to support the CHILDREN.

Comments saying people want the kids to starve. Of course we fucking dont. The reality is though that this money isnt always going on the children.

Those savings are for the kids even if it might be to repair a boiler or for Christmas. You do realise that there people on UC who are contending with their mortgage going up? So yes if I save because we need something for the house our kids live in I will.

Winteriscoming80 · 13/11/2025 09:08

AlexisP90 · 13/11/2025 08:06

"Coming out in their droves on this thread"

Because we are fucking fed up! Fed up with paying mental mortgage rates, fed up with every bill increasing every single month, fed up with having to work our fucking asses off to be left with hardly anything at the end of the moth and fed up with having to limit the number if children we would like to have because we dont get a fucking penny of help!

Stop cash all together. Give people a voucher that can only be spent on kids stuff and essential food.

Anyone claiming benefits should not be able to save a single penny. It should be there to support the CHILDREN.

Comments saying people want the kids to starve. Of course we fucking dont. The reality is though that this money isnt always going on the children.

Agree!

Winteriscoming80 · 13/11/2025 09:13

I think a lot of people are seriously out of touch with what goes on in the real world,
the mother works enough hours so she doesn’t have to look for work,gets uc top up,
the partner or dh claims pip for mental health reasons but works in the trade for cash in hand jobs,these are the people who are going to be laughing all the way to the bank!
plus teenage pregnancy has gone down since the 2 child benefit ban was introduced.

Leavesfalling · 13/11/2025 09:16

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 13/11/2025 09:05

Those savings are for the kids even if it might be to repair a boiler or for Christmas. You do realise that there people on UC who are contending with their mortgage going up? So yes if I save because we need something for the house our kids live in I will.

I have no savings for Christmas. I work very long hours running my own small business and employ other people (not many but still I do create some jobs) so have to pay their wages before anything goes into my pocket. I wouldn't be able to fix my boiler at the moment. I have children.

But it seems people who don't work do have that ability to save for Christmas or a boiler. Which seems a lot easier and far less effort than employing people and contributing to the economy.

kittywittyandpretty · 13/11/2025 09:18

Leavesfalling · 13/11/2025 09:16

I have no savings for Christmas. I work very long hours running my own small business and employ other people (not many but still I do create some jobs) so have to pay their wages before anything goes into my pocket. I wouldn't be able to fix my boiler at the moment. I have children.

But it seems people who don't work do have that ability to save for Christmas or a boiler. Which seems a lot easier and far less effort than employing people and contributing to the economy.

Well, stop it then. You’re not doing it out of the goodness of your heart. You’re doing it so that you don’t have to go and work for somebody else who may or may not be as nice as employer as you are.
But do not make out that you’re doing these people a favour

SouthLondonMum22 · 13/11/2025 09:20

Winteriscoming80 · 13/11/2025 09:13

I think a lot of people are seriously out of touch with what goes on in the real world,
the mother works enough hours so she doesn’t have to look for work,gets uc top up,
the partner or dh claims pip for mental health reasons but works in the trade for cash in hand jobs,these are the people who are going to be laughing all the way to the bank!
plus teenage pregnancy has gone down since the 2 child benefit ban was introduced.

Teenage pregnancy has been going down for years, even before the 2 child cap was introduced.

Digdongdoo · 13/11/2025 09:21

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 13/11/2025 09:05

Those savings are for the kids even if it might be to repair a boiler or for Christmas. You do realise that there people on UC who are contending with their mortgage going up? So yes if I save because we need something for the house our kids live in I will.

I really don't think taxpayers should be topping up the Christmas present fund. What a waste it would be to spend that help on toys!

Goldwren1923 · 13/11/2025 09:22

kittywittyandpretty · 13/11/2025 09:18

Well, stop it then. You’re not doing it out of the goodness of your heart. You’re doing it so that you don’t have to go and work for somebody else who may or may not be as nice as employer as you are.
But do not make out that you’re doing these people a favour

the PP IS doing a favour, to every person who gets benefits because this PP is paying taxes and creating jobs that also pay taxes.
if he didn’t and all other people didn’t (eg moved to another country and stopped working here) all these benefits claimants would be screwed.

Leavesfalling · 13/11/2025 09:22

kittywittyandpretty · 13/11/2025 09:18

Well, stop it then. You’re not doing it out of the goodness of your heart. You’re doing it so that you don’t have to go and work for somebody else who may or may not be as nice as employer as you are.
But do not make out that you’re doing these people a favour

My point was in reply to a PP who thought it reasonable to be able to save (up to £16,000 i understand) on benefits and made the case that it would be for things like Christmas.

That would put people on benefits in a better position than many of those that work and I don't think that is reasonable.

While I dont begrudge people on benefits Christmas presents obviously, I dont think those Christmas presents should be financed by other people's work.

Goldwren1923 · 13/11/2025 09:23

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 13/11/2025 09:05

Those savings are for the kids even if it might be to repair a boiler or for Christmas. You do realise that there people on UC who are contending with their mortgage going up? So yes if I save because we need something for the house our kids live in I will.

Unbelievable. The taxpayers funding savings and Christmas funds. The entitlement is crazy.

there are charities that help with Christmas presents

Avantiagain · 13/11/2025 09:25

"Yes, being a carer is difficult, I have done it for my grandparents when they were old and suffering dementia. But there was no other choice so I got on with it along with my studies and other things."

They can't have required that much care if you could do other things at the same time.

Leavesfalling · 13/11/2025 09:25

Goldwren1923 · 13/11/2025 09:23

Unbelievable. The taxpayers funding savings and Christmas funds. The entitlement is crazy.

there are charities that help with Christmas presents

I that would be the better way. Then people can chose whether they wish to contribute to those charities rather than being forced to through tax. People are very generous in this country.

Marshmallow4545 · 13/11/2025 09:29

Goldwren1923 · 13/11/2025 09:22

the PP IS doing a favour, to every person who gets benefits because this PP is paying taxes and creating jobs that also pay taxes.
if he didn’t and all other people didn’t (eg moved to another country and stopped working here) all these benefits claimants would be screwed.

Exactly. I think so many people in this county lack a basic understanding of how the economy works and what enables us as a Country to pay for a welfare state.

I think everyone should complete a course on this before being able to vote. At a very minimum I would like it to cover:

How wealth is created and distributed and how we desperately need entrepreneurship, productivity and growth.

The difference between GDP and GDP per capita. How we are actually nowhere near as rich of a country as the Nordic countries everyone tries to compare us too.

The impact of government debt on future spending capacity due to interest payments. Also what an IMF bailout looks like and when it would be imposed.

How every government is dependent on the markets just to function at all. They really don't have the autonomy that many assume that they do have.

Australianhospitality · 13/11/2025 09:29

Avantiagain · 13/11/2025 09:25

"Yes, being a carer is difficult, I have done it for my grandparents when they were old and suffering dementia. But there was no other choice so I got on with it along with my studies and other things."

They can't have required that much care if you could do other things at the same time.

Caring for someone with dementia is a 24/7 role and incredibly difficult never mind looking after two (that would be almost impossible). How did you manage to also study and do "other things" as well?

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 13/11/2025 09:33

Goldwren1923 · 13/11/2025 09:23

Unbelievable. The taxpayers funding savings and Christmas funds. The entitlement is crazy.

there are charities that help with Christmas presents

Many on UC work so it won't just be the government funding it. They might just be putting aside £10 a month since January? Many might also stick it on klarna but you wouldn't know but I suspect that is what most on benefits do. Considering how many can't access a dentist for example I think it is savvy to have some savings for a private one so I do admire those on such low incomes as on benefits who saves to be honest.

Goldwren1923 · 13/11/2025 09:35

Marshmallow4545 · 13/11/2025 09:29

Exactly. I think so many people in this county lack a basic understanding of how the economy works and what enables us as a Country to pay for a welfare state.

I think everyone should complete a course on this before being able to vote. At a very minimum I would like it to cover:

How wealth is created and distributed and how we desperately need entrepreneurship, productivity and growth.

The difference between GDP and GDP per capita. How we are actually nowhere near as rich of a country as the Nordic countries everyone tries to compare us too.

The impact of government debt on future spending capacity due to interest payments. Also what an IMF bailout looks like and when it would be imposed.

How every government is dependent on the markets just to function at all. They really don't have the autonomy that many assume that they do have.

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i lived through an IMF bailout. And then default on said bailout.
I would never recommend it.
if people think now COL is high and taxes too high and public services are bad, it’s going to be ten times worse.
THEN there will be very little money left to even severely disabled people

FlyMeSomewhere · 13/11/2025 09:35

SleeplessInWherever · 12/11/2025 22:53

I haven’t missed anything.

My cousin rang me last year at 1pm, no money on the electric meter. She’s got my 11 year old god son in the house. I sorted that out.

She rang again at 4pm, no food in for dinner. Still with the same child in the house. I sorted that.

I know for a fact that the reason she didn’t have any of those things is because she’d spent that money on drugs over the weekend. I also know the reason she rang me is because she knows I have the means to fix her self inflicted problems.

She may not have loads of kids. But she’s the same age as me and has never formally worked since the day we left school (the same school).

She does work, cash in hand, but her rent and council tax are all paid by UC and on paper she’s unemployed so on full benefits.

My father has 7 kids. Never formally worked a day in his life. No NI, or tax, ever. He’s a cash in hand builder who also claimed benefits. When I used to bother to visit him, the first thing he’d do is send me to the shop for drink and cigarettes. Ask for a takeaway.

I can’t have missed the game. My family play it.

And before anyone chimes in, yes I’ve reported the above people.

Then I don't understand why you are so happy with a system that pays out to so many! People don't have to worry about making bad lifestyle choices because they'll get homed they'll get money.

Marshmallow4545 · 13/11/2025 09:36

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 13/11/2025 09:33

Many on UC work so it won't just be the government funding it. They might just be putting aside £10 a month since January? Many might also stick it on klarna but you wouldn't know but I suspect that is what most on benefits do. Considering how many can't access a dentist for example I think it is savvy to have some savings for a private one so I do admire those on such low incomes as on benefits who saves to be honest.

If the government pays them more than £10 a month then it is the government's money that is allowing them to save. If the government was giving us all this opportunity then that would be one thing but they aren't. People on benefits should never be better off than those not on benefits otherwise we are at real risk of creating a nation of dependents. It traps people in a dependency cycle because it will never be financially worth it for individuals to work harder and get off benefits if they risk being worse off at the end of it.

Digdongdoo · 13/11/2025 09:37

Marshmallow4545 · 13/11/2025 09:36

If the government pays them more than £10 a month then it is the government's money that is allowing them to save. If the government was giving us all this opportunity then that would be one thing but they aren't. People on benefits should never be better off than those not on benefits otherwise we are at real risk of creating a nation of dependents. It traps people in a dependency cycle because it will never be financially worth it for individuals to work harder and get off benefits if they risk being worse off at the end of it.

Too late. It's already happened.

kittywittyandpretty · 13/11/2025 09:37

Goldwren1923 · 13/11/2025 09:22

the PP IS doing a favour, to every person who gets benefits because this PP is paying taxes and creating jobs that also pay taxes.
if he didn’t and all other people didn’t (eg moved to another country and stopped working here) all these benefits claimants would be screwed.

People seem to think that government Economies like we run a household budget and it’s simply not true. The numbers don’t exist they’ve never existed.
It’s not a case if we get extra money in and we can pay extra money out
It’s just not how it works
And it’s why we can suddenly lay our hands on millions when we have a pandemic

marshmallowmix · 13/11/2025 09:38

The whole system is a joke and hard workers are being stuffed at every turn...the level of benefits thrown at some is unbelievable and people graft every day for far less.

A guy who works with my other half came from Poland, him and his wife have 2 kids one is disabled and they have a social housing home, a free car and all sorts of benefits. He has told people openly that he can't return home as he is rolling in benefits here that he would never get back home. The have used the benefits money to build 2 homes back in Poland it beggars belief. He won't be a lone case.

They have not paid in for decades like we have , maybe 7 to 8 years but due to our crazy benefits he has a free house, car and all sorts of top ups they have built houses back in Poland with the money. I could cry we scrape by and are being stitched up....how the fxxx is this fair.

Work should pay it is as simple as that - a life on handouts should not be more lucrative! People getting £2k a month and not lifting a finger is wrong!

Marshmallow4545 · 13/11/2025 09:40

Goldwren1923 · 13/11/2025 09:35

i lived through an IMF bailout. And then default on said bailout.
I would never recommend it.
if people think now COL is high and taxes too high and public services are bad, it’s going to be ten times worse.
THEN there will be very little money left to even severely disabled people

I have seen people on this thread claim that an IMF bailout can't happen because we are the sixth largest economy. We were also the sixth largest economy in the 1970s when we were bailed out, unsurprisingly under a Labour government. The public sector cuts were severe. We can expect the welfare cuts to go far beyond anything that the Tories or Reform are suggesting. People really have no idea!

Marshmallow4545 · 13/11/2025 09:43

kittywittyandpretty · 13/11/2025 09:37

People seem to think that government Economies like we run a household budget and it’s simply not true. The numbers don’t exist they’ve never existed.
It’s not a case if we get extra money in and we can pay extra money out
It’s just not how it works
And it’s why we can suddenly lay our hands on millions when we have a pandemic

It isn't as simple as household economics but there is a balance of payments and the debt we have accrued is very real. The more we spend the closer we get to burdening ourselves with an unserviceable debt and requiring an IMF bailout.

You really can't just magic up money. I know you would love that to be the case but it simply isn't realistic. Ultimately no country can afford to spend beyond it's means in the long-term.

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