To wonder if people prefer the last government to this one?

[malificent7]

The amount of people who are saying they hate this government and would vote reform.
So let me get this straight: many would rather vote for someone who was a member of the facist party at university than labour? Er...ok then. It seems to me that most people are fairly racist and blame others for the state of the economy; immigrants, the disabled, sinle parents, working class etc.

The last government gave us Brexit which was a nightmare and landed us in the shit economically.
At least the roads are getting repaired under labour which is a tangible use of my taxes....and yet people moan about paying more taxes.

Im not saying Labour are amazing...tjey are not but are they worse than the tories?

I think the Conservative party really deserved to be voted out but this lot are far worse for me.

The tories weren’t that great, but at least Boris was funny and Rishi was nice to look at. Kier Starmer is terrible and also utterly boring.

Highways in your local authority have money they need to spend before financial year end, so they are going to “fix” all the potholes with shite materials.

Before you know it, the roads will be fucked again and they’ll say there is no budget to repair them.

I saw this type of thing happening endlessly when I worked for a LA.

Who was a member of the fascist party at university?

I’d be very wary of supporting anyone who had been, but that sounds made up.

And, though I’d still be very wary, people can evolve. There have been prominent UK politicians who were members of an explicitly totalitarian party at university, and they are mostly Labour figures. Jack Straw, John Reid, Charles Clarke, Peter Mandelson, for example.

Agree on the economic incompetence. It has always been thought that Labour are economically incompetent but the Tories are the nasty party for not spending money. After so long under Tory rule, I think the public had forgotten that Labour are famed for wasting money. The irony is that they are actually cutting costs in our public services, more than the Tories did in the NHS, which goes against that theory but all of the savings made will be wasted by stimulating job losses, paying out for waspis, removing the 2 child cap, not sticking to their winter fuel, throwing money at NHS pay (which has massively backfired as they've just come back for more!) etc etc. It's a very worrying time!

I don't think that the last government or the one before it were better than what we have now. Nothing that we experience now is a result of any kind of 24-hour job. It's all a result of policies and work conducted not just by the current government but by all previous governments. For example, if there is such a problem as the 50bn hole in the public finances, then it certainly wasn't created by this government alone. NHS issues haven't been caused by this government alone (just revisit the Guardian headlines on the NHS for the last 15 years and you will see what's been happening for yourself, not to mention that most of us probably had personal experiences with the local A&E). Similarly, all other issues: education, police service, fire service and every public service seem to be falling apart all the time and no amount of money is ever enough to fix them.

I have zero confidence in the current government and, to be honest looking at the folk we have to choose from pretty low confidence in the immediate future with the next government whoever it happens to be.

I had hopes for Wes, as he gets that the NHS needs massive reform, not throwing money at, but think he's been constrained by Starmer and the sacred cow that is the NHS.

Interesting that you see it that way. I am a lifelong Labour supporter but I think this lot are a total shitshow with Keir being one of the most disingenuous people I’ve come across.

The reason why Labour didn’t make a strong case for Remain was that at heart Jeremy Corbyn was a Eurosceptic and always had been. I always have felt that if he had got behind the Remain campaign there might have been a different result. Because a lot of Labour voters did vote Leave.

I blame both the major parties for Brexit.

I regret voting for them now too. I actually do think Sunak would have been better. Fwiw I don't think the problem is the government per se but they are weak and being held to ransom by backbenchers that they can't control and who feel no loyalty to the government. It's a problem they have always had, that was then copied by the Tories and caused their destruction (and included Brexit). Labour haven't learnt. They are a part made up of factions who hate each other and would rather be in opposition than have a Labour government of another faction.

The Tories were decimated in the last election they are gone and I can,t see them being reelected anytime soon
However nothing has gone right for labour since they got into power and they seem to limping from one disaster to another so where does that leave us ?

Yep. All of this.

Anyone who thinks Reform is the answer to our problems is wronger than marmite yogurt. The Tories are and have been a toilet for my entire life just get progressively worse.

I don’t know who I’ll be voting for next time. I voted Labour (always do) and while I don’t regret it I am pissed off with them.

I would much rather have Sunak and Hunt back

Are they, where do you live and can they send them to my area next.
Ive not noticed any improvement in the roads around here in the last year; the massive potholes are getting worse.

No Beexit squarely rests on the Tories. How can you say otherwise?
Cameron wanted to stop the moaning in the party by the UKIpper types and feared a leadership challenge so he gave as a sop a manifesto commitment to hold a referendum and they held him to it.
Sheer political ego and Party Before Country which is how the Tories always operate. This country had no understanding of what a non binding referendum would really mean because no roadmap was given in advance. It didn’t exist. Nobody really knew what Brexit would mean for us. For many it was just a fuck you vote against the Cameron Government. For loads of different reasons.
Now we’re paying the price and that manifesto commitment is what started it and that’s why Cameron resigned the next day after the vote. I hope he feels ashamed of himself every day of his life. And all of the Tories involved in Brexit. The billions lost to the economy, the social division, it’s absolutely shameful.

Also I will say as somebody who moved out of the UK just at the start of the last Tory government and returned near the end the gradual decline I saw as I visited was quite unlike anything I had witnessed in all my years prior to the last government. Also I will never forgive them for introducing two tier citizenship.

It was the Tory government who made a decision to hold a referendum on Brexit. You cannot pretend it was not their referendum.

well that's good news, but it's got nothing to do with the government. Your local highways authority is responsible for road repairs.

The expectations from some (if this website is to be considered a fair representation of the public at large) are a bit insane. It seems people have forgotten who was responsible for the decline of the country and expect it to have been resolved by now. All whilst not paying anymore tax.

Labour are, however, making too many mistakes. They’ve tried to appease reform voters at the cost of losing people who might actually vote for them to the Green Party. They’ve tried to out racist the racist. Continue to blame immigrants for everything. It’s disappointing.

I'm a lifelong Labour voter and I am a little disappointed in the government. More so for not presenting a strong narrative rather than their policy choices - there are millions of wealthy farmers and pensioners. I know from personal family experience of people buying farms from retiring small farmers with no family as a tax dodge (the one I'm thinking of will save at least £500,00 in IHT). I have no problem with the wealthy paying more or receiving less to help out struggling families - that's what I voted for. But the government have explained themselves badly or not at all, allowed opponents to capture the narrative and well-intentioned policies have been branded as bad.

Also as pp have said, the level of hatred and vitriol directed at Keir Starmer is quite surprising- very hostile media coverage. Boris Johnson lies, skives off, is corrupt and cruel but Starmer is worse because he hasn't sorted everything out yet???

14 years of Tories fuched our country - no investment in anything but their rich friends. You can't turn that around in a year!

Finally, we all do have short memories - remember Tony Blair's Labour government's? Child poverty reduced by a third, NHS waiting lists slashed and hospitals built - they did alright.

To all saying that previous government mismanaged finances, let remember a bit of context here.

When the Conservatives came into power in 2010, they inherited a budget deficit of around £160 billion, one of the largest in modern UK history. Even Labour’s outgoing Treasury Minister left that now-famous note saying, “I’m afraid there is no money.” Yes, there was still a deficit when the Conservatives left, but it was far lower and in a much better state than what they inherited. So before throwing around claims of “economic mismanagement,” it’s worth remembering which government started with the biggest hole to fill…

Sunak I think would have made a good leader. He had a grasp of economics. Reeves is a stupid foolish Chancellor who is massively out of her depth and seems to think taxing everything that is moving will allow growth. The billionaires and millionares are leaving, two members of my wider family have already gone (one to Dubai) and lets not scoff - its not as though its better here.

The benefits bill is sprialling out of control. If we arent careful the people on benefits will outvote the people funding their benefits. On a previous post I came out with some ideas how we reduce. The usual suspects bleated that PIP is really difficult and to remember Covid and the MH issues that caused. How come we are the only country who seem to spray money out like this.

Couple of ideas.

Withdraw the Triple Lock
Keep the two child benefit rule
Make every PIP face to face
Make the criteria higher. Dont just cave in
Why are 1 in 8 of our young people lounging around? Not in education or work. They cannot all have MH issues and its Ok to sometimes feel worried and anxious about things. Stop dumbing it down.

You know that's been discredited, dont you?

Ah Tony Blair the master of Spin.

@malificent7 ,
“So let me get this straight: many would rather vote for someone who was a member of the facist party at university”
Could you provide evidence of this please? I’m aware that the propaganda machine is in full force where Mr Farage and the Reform Party are concerned. I have actually searched for some time to find any information about this.
The only thing I can find is that when he was 13 years old he was suggested to his headmaster as a prefect and another teacher who didn’t even personally know him objected because they said they had heard he was a Facist.

It really is quite unacceptable to throw around unsubstantiated accusations of this type and more fool anyone who believes them without fact checking. Was that what you were hoping for?