To wonder if people prefer the last government to this one?

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The amount of people who are saying they hate this government and would vote reform.
So let me get this straight: many would rather vote for someone who was a member of the facist party at university than labour? Er...ok then. It seems to me that most people are fairly racist and blame others for the state of the economy; immigrants, the disabled, sinle parents, working class etc.

The last government gave us Brexit which was a nightmare and landed us in the shit economically.
At least the roads are getting repaired under labour which is a tangible use of my taxes....and yet people moan about paying more taxes.

Im not saying Labour are amazing...tjey are not but are they worse than the tories?

It was the Tory government that decided to give us a referendum asking a very simple question about a complex matter that most of the electorate didn't understand. Hence loads of people googling "What is the EU" on the day after the vote.

And they gave us that referendum, not because they believed that it was any sort of democratic imperative to put the question to the country, but because they thought it would shut up the eurosceptics in their own party.

The Tory government at the time was far too complacent in assuming that the public wouldn't be so stupid as to vote for a colossal act of national self harm, and they failed to make a strong enough case for Remain. Theresa May then came in with her ridiculous and meaningless statement that "Brexit means Brexit", steering us towards an unnecessarily hard Brexit despite the closeness of the referendum vote. And then we had Boris with his "oven-ready" deal that turned out to be a complete botch job.

Yes, the people who voted for Brexit must accept some accountability for their choices - they made a terrible decision. And yes, the Labour Party must bear its share of the responsibility for having failed to make a stronger case in favour of Remain. Yes, Farage and his cronies must take a share of the blame for his anti-EU rhetoric and the politics that pushed the Tories towards their disastrous decision in the first place. But the Tories were ultimately accountable for what happened, and they must take the largest share of the blame. And many people will never forgive them.

This absolutely nails it for me.

The people who are trying to pretend the last government didn't give us Brexit don't seem to have understood that the referendum was non-binding. There was no automatic process by which we'd have left, and leaving required a government to act in accordance with the results. That was the 2019-24 administration. This isn't even a party political point, it's just what happened.

It is quite incredible, actually. I am not a fan of Starmer, but the level of hatred and vitriol towards him is completely disproportionate to anything that he has actually done or failed to do.

I'm not in the least surprised that he is unpopular, as so many mistakes have been made and he isn't exactly charismatic as a leader. But I am surprised by just how unpopular he is.

It is as if a dam has burst, and the frustrations that have been building up towards politicians for many years are suddenly all focused on Starmer and the current government. I guess people got their hopes up that things might change, and because they don't see that change yet (and don't have confidence that they are going to see it any time soon because of all of the missteps that have been made), all of their anger disappointment is directed towards the current government - because even though we know that many of the problems were inherited from the previous government, they were supposed to be the ones that were going to fix it.

It will be a disaster if people turn to extremes such as Reform in response to all of this, as the situation in the country will get much worse, and what are they going to do then.

I am clinging to the hope that the Labour Party will somehow get its act together and start to turn things around before the next election, so that people can have a bit of hope again. Being honest, it is quite hard to see that happening at the moment, though, as they don't actually appear to have a plan.

Doesn't seem to make a difference no matter who's in 🤷‍♀️

I agree with pp - Starmer has his faults but he seems like a decent man who is doing his best. The same could NOT be said of Boris!

Labour are acting like children who don't understand the word no. Labour seem to have totally forgotten what their party is even called.

There are positive changes showing in the NHS, although the resident doctors who had a large pay deal when Labour came into government aren't helping or being honest about their pay.

Locally there are now NHS dentists so thats improving too.

So in 2 important areas they are better than the last government and better than 14 years of increasing the problems.

I want a government that addresses inequality arising from class, wealth, sex, race and disability. I believe in the state ownership of essential services and industries and am happy to pay for things based on my means rather than my needs. Unfortunately it's not a popular view, even amongst those who would benefit from it the most, so the chances of a government being elected that I was happy with are slim to none. I will be using my vote tactically to keep Reform out.

This.

Also, lots of road repairs going on in my area to the extent that the traffic is barely moving some of the time but it has to be done.

Absolutely this. My disappointment with this government is that it's not socialist enough.

I would not say “prefer”. I loathe the Tories.
I have no view on Labour either way. I would never vote Reform because the party and its supporters hate everything that I am. But nor would I wish to vote for Tory or Labour. Hopefully the next election I am in a “weigh the vote” neighbourhood and can vote as I wish.

I have no idea who I'd vote for if there was an election tomorrow. Basically whoever stops taking money off modest earners to give to the feckless (not including disabled, but am including the mildy anxious and depressed as I am both of those and have never not worked). The welfare bill is out of control. It needs a complete overhaul.

Starmer has to go. Useless, incompetent and a liar. I actually did prefer the last Government OP, although they were useless as well.

People should start getting used to the idea of Reform because that's exactly where we're heading.

The roads aren't getting repaired where I am!

Any sensible person with a memory told people what would happen if there was a Labour government but people went ahead and voted them in

But even I didn’t realise just how bad they would get, I didn’t think it was possible after the last Labour Government but here we are! Rachel has to be the most useless Chancellor in history and it’s only going to get worse after November

I know people moan about the Tories but austerity was down to the Labour government leaving the country in a mess. Compounded by giving people a vote for Brexit and the pandemic which no one predicted.

But as was said at Brexit people voted them in, so those who did can’t moan now

I prefer the last government. Labour are rank and file amateurs. Starmer is the absolute worst as a leader and I’m not surprised he’s fighting off a challenge before the budget. The budget will be a shitshow.

Yes I much prefer the last government, useless as they were when it came to Brexit and Covid. Labour are far worse but then it was always obvious that they would be. I’ve never voted Labour and never will. And yes, I intensely dislike Farage but I would still vote for him to get Labour out if there was an election tomorrow. If you think that makes me a racist then I’m fine with that. I’m more concerned with the dire state of the economy than ideologies at this point.

I have been a lifelong labour voter but Rachel Reeves is going to run the country’s economy into the ground. We are all going to be a lot worse off.

Er… I think you’ve forgotten Kwasi Kwarteng?

Of course I prefer the last Government. They weren't perfect, but they had the right general ideas. Whereas this lot have no clue..... I thought Wes Streeting might take a grip of the NHS and bring in the private sector much more, but not sure that has happened.

Quite. The narrative that Starmer and co. are rabid commies is laughable.

The pot holes are being done in our area as well. The roads being blocked off has been very annoying but they have been done other the last few months and usually at night. It is an absolute delight!

Our roads remain in a shocking condition but I don't hold the government responsible because roads are the responsibility of the local council.

But this current government will, I predict, be remembered for its sheer economic incompetence and its ruthless pursuit of even small financial successes.

I suppose it all depends on your shit preference, bullshit, horseshit or dogshit?

It was a referendum, not the Tory's. The public gave us brexit. Labour was a disaster through that period - they should have stood strong and opposed it but instead they flapped around and sat on the wall, (mostly because Corbyn was openly anti-Europe decades before the word 'Brexit' had been invented). Only the lib dems were brave enough to opposed it and, sadly, they don't have enough voice so nobody listened. We also have no idea what Labour would have agreed for us if they had been in control so there is no evidence that we would be better off with them. I'm very happy to pick holes in the Tories, I certainly didn't vote for them, but to blame them is just illogical bias (or stupidity/denial).