To wonder if people prefer the last government to this one?

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The amount of people who are saying they hate this government and would vote reform.
So let me get this straight: many would rather vote for someone who was a member of the facist party at university than labour? Er...ok then. It seems to me that most people are fairly racist and blame others for the state of the economy; immigrants, the disabled, sinle parents, working class etc.

The last government gave us Brexit which was a nightmare and landed us in the shit economically.
At least the roads are getting repaired under labour which is a tangible use of my taxes....and yet people moan about paying more taxes.

Im not saying Labour are amazing...tjey are not but are they worse than the tories?

I would take the Sunak version of the last government over thos one absolutely. He was smart and quietly committed, but didn't have the showmanship to maintain leadership. Given a year or 2 longer I think he could have set us on a much more stable economic footing.
I think it c was less about him and more that the Tories had shown themselves to be so incompetent and shit, especially with their revolving doors of leaders it was too late. If the Tory 80 year old Blue rinse brigade had elected him earlier they may not have lost

apology, autocorrect for some reasons, I'll watch it.

Anyway, back to US debt. This chart partially demonstrates it:
The Magnificent 7 Dwarfs Entire Countries’ Market Caps 📈 - Voronoi

USD is still a reserve currency.

They can afford it, we can't.

I prefer them to the Tories. Tories were awful and morally bankrupt, but I'm not particularly happy with Labour either, but I think any party would struggle to make things work right now. They've been handed a global economy that is built on gambling and making sure Elites come out on top. No party can win against that. The system needs to collapse first unfortunately.

I think Labour are swimming against a torrent, but they aren't brave enough to try something new either. The idea of Reform is fucking scary. They are spectacularly incompetent (yes I know Labour and Tories are not great either), but they just all seem very vicious, under qualified and lazy. Like the most unprofessional and incompetent managers you've encountered in your working life rolled into a political party.

HELL. NO.

Other than Trump, just about anything is better than the last shower we had. The chaos. Lack of organisation. Back stabbing. Cheating. Stealing.

They weren't a government. They were a bunch of legalised con artists. Many of whom were the mega wealthy, landed gentry, stealing from state coffers and the poor.

I don't think Labour can return to power in several decades after this term.

Nobody is going to like any government because what the population (generally speaking) wants is impossible.

Nhs repaired, schools great, local services fabulous, wages high, prices low, taxes low. Genuine change without sacrifice. A vague "other people" paying / being targeted. A magic wand.

And no party is willing to do what it would actually take to turn things around because they'd be completely unelectable.

So it's just plaster on top of plaster until its so beyond fixing it cant be band-aided any more.

Hell no

This.

Same old labour nonsense - it is not my fault

If they want to save money they could

Stop all foreign aid
Not have given 50M to Indian farmers
Not have given 50M to the guy who now runs Syria the ex ISIS commander
Not increase child allowance for more than 2 kids
Scrap all the people employed in diversity training
Stop benefits for illegal immigrants
Do not allow companies to pay less NI for employees from India than British people
Stop benefits for people who are able to work but do not wish to

None of that is rocket science to anyone other than Labour

@kirinm Boris had never been a Euro MP, Nigel and others knew the system and were much more committed and were aware of details but he did not meet them. Remember he wrote two articles for The Telegraph I think. One favouring Leave to other favouring Remain. He asked his wife which he should send. She chose.
Not the act of a committed man was it?

I didn't vote for this Government and I'm even more disappointed in them than I expected to be.

I'd like the Conservatives to get their house in order as get a strong, ethical leader in place.

What a horrible world that would be.

I've loathed and despised all governments since the day that self-serving Sir Tony fucking Bliar was elected: just as narcissistic as Boris Johnson, but cleverer at hiding it, and appearing to be trustworthy.

At the moment, Labour feels much closer to "grown ups in charge" than Saint Boris and billionaire "just hang in there while your bills are through the roof" Sunak. Labour are doing good stuff like employment rights, but are not telling us about it. They inherited Saint Boris's clown show. They don't have the Tory-owned media on their side. So right now, I'd much rather it was Labour, than the Conservatives or Reform. If we get Reform, that means Trump is on this side of the Atlantic for good (Farage is basically Trump), and we are finished.

I don't like Labour particularly, they're as much snouts in the trough as the Conservatives, and I have not forgotten that they cheered on the extremely damaging lockdowns all the way, and had NOTHING to say about the damage lockdowns were causing: basically, they completely failed to be the opposition while Saint Boris and his merry men were destroying children, their education, and their futures. They had plenty to say about Partygate, but nothing to say about the absurdity that brought about Partygate in the first place.

As for Nigel Farage: he is the Devil himself. "All this can be yours, if you will kneel down and vote for me."

@MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack Those people should have done their research before obviously, or maybe just refrained from voting. It was blindingly obvious what the outcome of leaving the EU would be, regardless of what the politicians said.

Having worked in a polling station on referendum day, the level of ignorance was jaw dropping. A lot of people turned out for the first time to vote and quite openly declared this and that they had very little intention of voting ever again. If this is something repeated across the country, it's hardly surprising the country is in a mess. Ignorance and lack of engagement is not a great combination in the electorate.

All of this

I think the press and then media in particular the right wing media media and X in particular is very good at whipping up hatred and spreading things that are not true.
I don't know the answer but I don't think any Government would be popular these days.

Sadly, I think the current Government has borrowed its strategy from Argentina and Peron and is formulating policy to keep its voter base on side, and disproportionately, these are recipients of government handouts. There's also a sizeable cadre of high-minded liberals who are never sceptical of needs yet incredibly rude about "white van man".

Don't keen on Starmer but Jeez the last government were not far off the shit show of America right now.

Why do you think Sunak would have been better?
One of the reasons we are in the position we are is his Government swept issues that they knew were coming under the carpet and refused to take necessary decisions.
I think he was actually quite relieved not to have won the last election

This.

but, so far, have been utterly underwhelmed and disappointed!

I had much lower expectations than many with Starmer - I was worried about lack planning but aware Tory's were leaving a huge mess - but underwhelmed and disappointed is how I feel.

I’m not suggesting BJ was committed - he doesn't seem to have been committee about anything his entire life. But he held himself out to be a leave supporter. Adopted leave attitudes when ‘negotiating’ and got what his government supported.

Leave voters don’t get to pretend it would all have been rosy had a true leaver done the negotiation.

I kind of believe in long term balance in the government.

So when you get the Tories in generally taxes are low, spending is low and the debt gets paid down. Services generally become crap. This is all relative of course.

Then when Labour get in taxes get higher, spending is high and the debts run up. Services generally get better.

Hopefully over time the time in power evens out so we get some sort of equilibrium.

The situation is a bit different now because Labour can't really run up any debt, but I was at least hoping they would up spending and taxes.

Unfortunately, like Tony Blair, Starmer is pretty much Tory lite. They are bottling all the taxation decisions and in the end the outcome would be pretty much the same as if the Tories were left in charge with the same shit show, different colour hat.

So yes a somewhat disappointing outcome, which may lead to a lot of people saying "what the hell let's try Reform because they can't be any worse than any of the established parties and so I might as well throw the dice".

Urgh well the last government gave us such delights as lockdowns, the rule of 6 and defaqto compulsory vaccination, whilst also delivering the highest tax burden in generations and allowing hundreds and thousands of undocumented migrants through the doors.

But the current administration seems to think they didn't go far enough on these things and seem to be doing all they can to increase illegal migration and the tax burden on hard working families.

Its no wonder people are turning to reform.

I want a government to be what Boris told us he'd be this time 6 years ago.

What taxes would you want raised? Frozen thresholds have dragged more and more middle earners into higher rate tax, and those earning £100=125k are paying an effective rate of tax of 62%. How much further do you think we can go?

Definitely wealth taxes. So CGT should increase. Inheritance tax. Pension contribution tax relief should be curtailed as people are building up huge pots unnecessarily. Maybe a VAT luxury rate, although you then get into the question what is a luxury.

More taxes on cars across the board, SUVs in particular and EVs.

There needs to be a packaging tax as the way plastic packaging is used is ridiculous, plus some extra taxes on gambling and fast food.

Council tax needs to be significantly increases as many councils are going bankrupt. The doubling of G and H bands is a good idea before reform is done.

I don't support increases in income tax and NI. Maybe NI needs to come in for pensioners.

I can think of some others.

The government I expect will bottle all of this.