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The BBC should lose the license fee and be forced to operate like any other streaming service after the complete destruction of trust this week

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 09/11/2025 19:44

Thats it really, the BBC lied to us, all of us.

They edited a Trump speech to make him look like he said something he did not.

They pushed one side of the transgender debate relentlessly, deliberately hiding negative stories on detransitioners, the US WPATH file and thousands of more cases

https://archive.ph/wWdMS

https://archive.ph/uiEKW

They have cancelled people for wrong-think at every opportunity, pushed drag queens over women, turned woman hours into mens hour, constantly attacked anyone who does not share their extreme liberal left wing views and kept them off the news cycle

They have utterly and completely lost all trust, they ARE biased they DON'T give balance in the news

Everyone thought it was a conspiracy, now we know it's actually true and we have PROOF

Today the BBC Director and News Director have both quit in absolute disgrace.

It is time the BBC was consigned to the dustbin because we are never getting back to the BBC I loved and trusted, the one that ran programmes to inform and entertain and educate, that BBC is long gone.

Replace it, completely.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd9kqz1yyxkt

BBC director general Tim Davie and News CEO Deborah Turness resign - live updates

Davie says "there have been some mistakes made and as director general I have to take ultimate responsibility".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd9kqz1yyxkt

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 10/11/2025 20:25

nomas · 10/11/2025 20:07

Have you ever even run a team before, let alone a company or org?

Who is going to pay for 20,000 to be made redundant, many of whom have been there for decades?

Who is going to pay for recruiting and training 20,000 new staff?

I don’t think people who aren’t any good at their jobs should keep their jobs.

and - I am certain the BBC does not need to be 20,000 people strong.

we don’t need a public broadcaster commissioning Celebreity Traitors.

we do need impartial trustworthy news.

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nomas · 10/11/2025 20:27

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 10/11/2025 20:25

I don’t think people who aren’t any good at their jobs should keep their jobs.

and - I am certain the BBC does not need to be 20,000 people strong.

we don’t need a public broadcaster commissioning Celebreity Traitors.

we do need impartial trustworthy news.

The show which was watched by 11 million people?

PencilsInSpace · 10/11/2025 20:29

CheekyChickenFucker · 10/11/2025 19:12

I'm baffled by this. I've always found them biased in terms of giving Reform UK a lot of screen time when they don't have many seats. I always assumed they were right leaning. The trans stuff isn't as bad as people make out. I watched a bit of Riot Women last night and there was loads of people outraged on here about how bad it was. I was expecting it to be really OTT and pervy the way people were banging on about it and it was just a trans young person in a band 🙄

The media has always been biased. He tabloids are an utter crock of shite and have been for decades. That's why you pick multiple sources from different political leanings, and somewhere where they all cross over you find the truth.

The BBC's coverage of sex and gender has been appalling for years.

From the memo:

A BBC presenter contacted me about a month after I started working with the EGSC. He put me in touch with a reporter and a producer. All three were from different parts of the BBC but had shared concerns about BBC coverage of the trans issue.

The story that each person told me was what sounded like effective censorship by the specialist LGBTQ desk within News.

As virtually all shows had lost their own reporters, programme editors had to make requests to News if they wanted a correspondent to cover a story. I was told that time and time again the LGBTQ desk staffers would decline to cover any story raising difficult questions about the trans-debate.

The allegation made to me was stark: that the desk had been captured by a small group of people promoting the Stonewall view of the debate and keeping other perspectives off-air. Individual programmes had come to lack their own reporters as a counterweight.

What I was told chimed with what I saw for myself on BBC Online - that stories raising difficult questions about the ‘trans agenda’ were ignored even if they had been widely taken up and discussed across other media outlets.

There was also a constant drip-feed of one-sided stories, usually news features, celebrating the trans experience without adequate balance or objectivity.

A typical example was the story of Gisele Shaw, a gushing tale of a transgender wrestler who felt “liberated” by coming out.

This story, posted on March 15th, 2023, glossed over how the wrestler, who is a biological male, had repeatedly won trophies by competing in women’s competition.

The Board might take note that the one undisputed run of ground-breaking journalistic excellence in this space was that of Newsnight’s Hannah Barnes, who went on to author the seminal book about the medical treatment and mistreatment of ‘trans children’.

Her work might well now not be possible at the BBC, given the culture I describe above combined with changes at Newsnight and the lack now of any programme-specific reporters.

Ms Barnes, with a proud track record at the BBC, elected to depart for the New Statesman.

Story selection and diversity of opinion
David Grossman’s report examining the BBC’s coverage of trans issues came to the EGSC in October 2024.

It found many shortcomings, in line with my fears and the concerns raised with me by BBC staff.

These included:

  • On story selection, his report warned of an “unintended editorial bias”
  • “Significant voices” were too often missing from the BBC’s coverage, including those who had transitioned and regretted their decision or those who had concerns about the process
  • The report couldn’t find a single example in the review period that reflected the experience of de-transitioners
  • It noted there were more stories about the waiting times for people to receive care than examining the quality of that care itself
  • It also noted a surprisingly high number of stories about drag queens considering it is such a niche group of people
  • Stories that raised concerns about the quality or safety of care given to gender questioning children and adults received “little or no coverage”
  • In March 2024, there was widespread media coverage of leaked documents from the World Professional Association for Transgender Health which raised concerns about the quality of care given to gender-distressed children. It was picked up by the Mail, Economist, Observer, Washington Post, the Times and others but not the BBC
  • There was also scant coverage of biological women campaigning to exclude biological men from sensitive spaces
  • The BBC failed to cover the story of Darlington nurses who took their employer to court for allowing their changing room to be used by biological males. This story was covered extensively by other news outlets including Sky News and GB News
  • Similarly, there was no coverage of claims biological male police and prison officers were being allowed to conduct strip searches on women and girls
  • The report warned that the phrase “assigned at birth” in relation to biological sex was appearing frequently in coverage, despite being advised against in guidelines
  • The report noted concerns with how the debate about the Cass Review was framed on Newsnight – the views of a doctor critical of the Tavistock Clinic were “balanced” with those of a trans woman, who said she had received excellent care. The report pointed out that if Newsnight was covering concerns about a maternity unit it would not seek to provide balance by interviewing a mother who was happy with her care

Gender identity
The concept of gender identity is contested but David warned the EGSC that “some of our coverage is presented in a way that suggests the concept of gender identity is an established fact rather than contested.”

He also warned there was a tacit acceptance of the concept of ‘gender identity’ in BBC guidelines that could cause impartiality problems and recommended a change.

The guidelines state: “for most people their sex and gender identity are the same”.

He suggested adding: “Others may reject the idea that they have a gender identity that is separate from their biological sex at all”.

My understanding is we are still waiting for the updated news style guide, nearly 12 months since David’s report was presented to the EGSC.

David’s findings highlight a cultural problem across the BBC – that too many of its staff have never considered the idea of “gender identity” to be either spurious or offensive to many people.

As an institution the BBC too often views issues of gender and sexuality as a celebration of British diversity rather than exploring the complexities of the subject.

Without anchoring stories in biological sex, they risk becoming incomprehensible to audiences. For example, they may not understand the concerns about a transgender woman being sent to a women’s prison.
David flagged one article, carried on BBC News in June, 2024, under the headline: “Transgender woman guilty of rape after night out”. Without adding that the offender was a biological man, this story would be confusing for many.
The review recommended BBC reporters and presenters should use language more “anchored in biological sex” – such as biological males and biological females.

“Otherwise, there is a real danger that audiences may not understand the stories we are attempting to cover.”

A prime example would be the case of Scarlet Blake - a transgender woman sentenced on February 26th, 2024, for the murder of Jorge Martin Carreo. When the story was reported on the One O’Clock News, Blake was not referred to as a trans woman, only a woman. On the Six O’Clock News, she was referred to as a trans woman.

In a statement, the BBC conceded that Blake should have been referred to as a trans woman in the lunchtime programme. It is interesting to ask how the lunchtime news got this wrong - it may well speak to capture by a particular lobby or a nervousness when reporting these subjects.

OonaStubbs · 10/11/2025 20:34

nomas · 10/11/2025 20:27

The show which was watched by 11 million people?

If it is watched by 11 million people, why is it being paid for by the licence fee? Why can't advertisers or subscribers pay for it?

PencilsInSpace · 10/11/2025 20:35

Although to be fair they did allow Stephen Nolan's Stonewall podcast to go out. Episodes 2, 9 and 10 are particularly relevant here but the whole thing is a cracking listen:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p09yjmph

BBC Sounds - Nolan Investigates - Available Episodes

Listen to the latest episodes of Nolan Investigates on BBC Sounds.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p09yjmph

KateShugakIsALegend · 10/11/2025 20:43

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 10/11/2025 19:57

Replace the bbc entirely with a new organisation with a new remit and charter, one that is dedicated to only filling the gaps a commercial organisation cannot or will not fill.

that means no celebrity traitors or eastenders

is does mean verifiably balanced news.

independent from the government and funded through direct taxation like any other service to the nation is.

So... BBC Worldwide is already self-funding.

Would anyone tune in? Could there be any downsides or unintended consequences?

Do you think Trump, Farage, Murdoch would welcome that? Where would the Project 2025-type money be channelled?

Not objecting, just musing.

KateShugakIsALegend · 10/11/2025 20:44

What other options could there be? What are the pros and cons?

What do Russia / extreme left and right factions want?

MyLimeGuide · 10/11/2025 20:45

I cancelled my tv licence this morning 💪

PencilsInSpace · 10/11/2025 20:48

Isn't it strange how arguing with BBC supporters is just like arguing with Labour supporters?

'Yes, we might have all these glaring flaws and be absolutely terrible but you have to stick with us anyway or the bogeyman will get you'

OonaStubbs · 10/11/2025 20:50

The BBC is like the mafia, "pay up or we won't protect you from those nasty commercial broadcasters".

nomas · 10/11/2025 20:50

OonaStubbs · 10/11/2025 20:34

If it is watched by 11 million people, why is it being paid for by the licence fee? Why can't advertisers or subscribers pay for it?

Because they have to provide value for money.

1dayatatime · 10/11/2025 20:57

nomas · 10/11/2025 20:07

Have you ever even run a team before, let alone a company or org?

Who is going to pay for 20,000 to be made redundant, many of whom have been there for decades?

Who is going to pay for recruiting and training 20,000 new staff?

You are correct that shutting down the entire BBC and making 22,000 people redundant simply because of BBC current affairs unacceptably and deliberately seeking to distort Trump's speech (plus anti semitism in BBC Arabic) would be throwing the baby out with the bath water.

The BBC produces some world beating entertainment and natural history programmes for example. Why should this be stopped?

The USP of BBC News and current affairs was that it held itself up to the world as a reliable and impartial and neutral source of news. Now that has clearly been shown not to be the case and amid strong allegations of institutionalised political bias in BBC news and current affairs it would be far better for the BBC to just cease its news and current affairs service.

EsmaCannonball · 10/11/2025 21:05

Entertainment is part of the BBC remit. It has always made popular light entertainment shows. The current problem is the sheer amount of those shows crowding out everything else.

Successful entertainment formats actually make the BBC money and keep the licence fee down.

If some BBC shows didn't bring in large audiences the argument would be 'Nobody wants to watch the BBC so why on earth are we paying for it.'

EdithStourton · 10/11/2025 21:11

My own view - having lived in a couple of countries that didn't have one - is that a public service broadcaster is a very valuable thing.

However, the BBC needs root and branch reform, and its funding model needs a lot of thought. If it was funded by the tax payer, there would need to be considerable oversight of where the money goes.

borntobequiet · 10/11/2025 21:23

Trivial, but I was pleased that Prescott mentioned the invasion of the BBC by drag queens, one of the weirdest features of this institutional madness in my eyes.

Abitlosttoday · 10/11/2025 21:28

EasternStandard · 09/11/2025 20:10

You can listen to the radio, I get it might be a principle thing.

That quote made me giggle and now your response has made me laugh more.🤣🤣🤣

Abitlosttoday · 10/11/2025 21:28

That quote made me giggle and now your response has made me laugh more.🤣🤣🤣

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 10/11/2025 21:37

KateShugakIsALegend · 10/11/2025 20:43

So... BBC Worldwide is already self-funding.

Would anyone tune in? Could there be any downsides or unintended consequences?

Do you think Trump, Farage, Murdoch would welcome that? Where would the Project 2025-type money be channelled?

Not objecting, just musing.

I don’t think any of those questions are reasons not to.

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KateShugakIsALegend · 10/11/2025 21:41

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 10/11/2025 21:37

I don’t think any of those questions are reasons not to.

It's the answers that need considering, not the questions.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 10/11/2025 21:43

KateShugakIsALegend · 10/11/2025 21:41

It's the answers that need considering, not the questions.

They’re all very wide open theoretically. I have no idea what people might say and what might happen.

im certain that the current trajectory is not a good one. I’ll roll the dice.

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CrocsNotDocs · 10/11/2025 21:46

Here is a classic example from only 7 hours ago. The BBC’s introduction line to the article on X says “IOC moves closer to ban on transgender women”. But this of course is completely inaccurate and untrue. Transgender women (usually known as men) are perfectly entitled to try out for the Olympics in their correct sex class, just like every other athlete.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/articles/cy4p29j4z70o?xtor=AL-71-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Bbbc.news.twitter%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D&at_link_id=A81E33F6-BE3B-11F0-80D5-DAAC0435EE80&at_medium=social&at_link_origin=BBCNews&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_ptr_name=twitter&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_campaign_type=owned&at_link_type=web_link&at_format=link

https://x.com/bbcnews/status/1987879541415559226?s=61

Can the BBC defenders in this thread justify this?

The BBC should lose the license fee and be forced to operate like any other streaming service after the complete destruction of trust this week
Ellen2shoes · 10/11/2025 21:49

KateShugakIsALegend · 10/11/2025 14:30

It is worth taking a moment to reflect on who is agitating for change and why, and who would be delighted to see the back of the BBC, and why.

It would be ironic if outrage over failures in meeting high standards led to a landscape of lower standards across the board.

We have lots of options. Let's consider them carefully.

👏

Onmytod24 · 10/11/2025 21:50

ohdelay · 10/11/2025 17:33

There was no need to manipulate the speech, but they just couldn't resist and the trust is gone now. If they can do that with a very high profile speech covered by many agencies, what else do they routinely trim and edit to make their desired message clearer. I was actually shocked at how blatant it was and the timing before the US election makes me think it was deliberately misleading and hoping to influence the vote. We're so quick to criticise Russian media when we get spoon fed agendas all the time too.

sgyer the vote? watch it again the whole point of it was after the so-called fake vote.

WhyThatsDelightful · 10/11/2025 22:35

One of many examples where the BBC were challenged on their editorial decisions.

Mistakes were not made, editorial policy was simply followed. That’s why the BBC has lost trust and status. Watching the endless line of celebrities saying how proud they are of the BBC just underpins the problem they have.

They simply will not listen

https://x.com/baroness_nichol/status/1988001030211002484?s=46

The BBC should lose the license fee and be forced to operate like any other streaming service after the complete destruction of trust this week
overstimulatedhermit · 10/11/2025 22:38

No surprise that the lefties are here defending and justifying lies from the bbc. I hope trump does Sue I will laugh my socks off. Fancy people still funding the organisation that covered up jimmy savile for years 🤮 disgraceful.

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