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The BBC should lose the license fee and be forced to operate like any other streaming service after the complete destruction of trust this week

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 09/11/2025 19:44

Thats it really, the BBC lied to us, all of us.

They edited a Trump speech to make him look like he said something he did not.

They pushed one side of the transgender debate relentlessly, deliberately hiding negative stories on detransitioners, the US WPATH file and thousands of more cases

https://archive.ph/wWdMS

https://archive.ph/uiEKW

They have cancelled people for wrong-think at every opportunity, pushed drag queens over women, turned woman hours into mens hour, constantly attacked anyone who does not share their extreme liberal left wing views and kept them off the news cycle

They have utterly and completely lost all trust, they ARE biased they DON'T give balance in the news

Everyone thought it was a conspiracy, now we know it's actually true and we have PROOF

Today the BBC Director and News Director have both quit in absolute disgrace.

It is time the BBC was consigned to the dustbin because we are never getting back to the BBC I loved and trusted, the one that ran programmes to inform and entertain and educate, that BBC is long gone.

Replace it, completely.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd9kqz1yyxkt

BBC director general Tim Davie and News CEO Deborah Turness resign - live updates

Davie says "there have been some mistakes made and as director general I have to take ultimate responsibility".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd9kqz1yyxkt

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MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 10/11/2025 17:04

People on the left often perceive the BBC to be biased towards the right.

People on the right often perceive the BBC to be biased towards the left.

At an individual programme level, there will inevitably be mistakes made in both directions, but overall, the dissatisfaction from both sides would suggest that they get the balance about right.

EasternStandard · 10/11/2025 17:07

OctaviaC74 · 10/11/2025 17:03

I think sometimes they are, sometimes they are not.

Which means they've pretty much got it right, though on news, i find Sky, overall, is more balanced.

Do they get it right all the time? no.

I don’t mind how people perceive it. I do think if it’s as in demand as people say they can switch to subscription. They can then be judged on how impartial they are.

If they provide good quality, impartial content then there’s a market which will pay. If they fail on that then it’s reflected in earnings.

PencilsInSpace · 10/11/2025 17:10

OctaviaC74 · 10/11/2025 17:01

National Radio, local radio, world service, huge amount of shows, sport, nature programs, kids TV.

Its remarkable value for money, a subs BBC would mean much of the above would go.

This implies they are currently subsidised by a lot of people who don't want their content.

I understand that part of the licence fee goes on infrastructure for all the live terrestrial channels, so the pricing structure needs breaking down. Let people pay for what they want.

Also remove the threat of prison for non-payment. It should be a civil debt, just like a debt to any other media company.

OctaviaC74 · 10/11/2025 17:12

EasternStandard · 10/11/2025 17:07

I don’t mind how people perceive it. I do think if it’s as in demand as people say they can switch to subscription. They can then be judged on how impartial they are.

If they provide good quality, impartial content then there’s a market which will pay. If they fail on that then it’s reflected in earnings.

It would mean the end of the BBC TV, radio, world service.

Even Farage has said that would be a mistake.

Fortunately, at least for the next few years, the BBC is safe.

SerendipityJane · 10/11/2025 17:13

Even Farage has said that would be a mistake.

To be fair he has said a lot of things.

OctaviaC74 · 10/11/2025 17:13

PencilsInSpace · 10/11/2025 17:10

This implies they are currently subsidised by a lot of people who don't want their content.

I understand that part of the licence fee goes on infrastructure for all the live terrestrial channels, so the pricing structure needs breaking down. Let people pay for what they want.

Also remove the threat of prison for non-payment. It should be a civil debt, just like a debt to any other media company.

They opt out of the licence fee, not watch any live content, iplayer etc.

its easy to do

Though i bet they still listen to the radio.

Whammyammy · 10/11/2025 17:14

OctaviaC74 · 10/11/2025 17:12

It would mean the end of the BBC TV, radio, world service.

Even Farage has said that would be a mistake.

Fortunately, at least for the next few years, the BBC is safe.

If the bbc can't fund themselves without forcing viewers via licence fees, like all other networks and providers do, then good riddance.

EasternStandard · 10/11/2025 17:14

OctaviaC74 · 10/11/2025 17:13

They opt out of the licence fee, not watch any live content, iplayer etc.

its easy to do

Though i bet they still listen to the radio.

That’s not a problem, the radio isn’t part of the fee.

Whammyammy · 10/11/2025 17:15

OctaviaC74 · 10/11/2025 17:13

They opt out of the licence fee, not watch any live content, iplayer etc.

its easy to do

Though i bet they still listen to the radio.

Listening to bbc radio doesn't require people to have a licence 🤷‍♂️

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 10/11/2025 17:15

EasternStandard · 10/11/2025 17:07

I don’t mind how people perceive it. I do think if it’s as in demand as people say they can switch to subscription. They can then be judged on how impartial they are.

If they provide good quality, impartial content then there’s a market which will pay. If they fail on that then it’s reflected in earnings.

Personally, I would be more than happy to pay for it as a subscription service. I get more than my money's worth from BBC radio alone.

But notwithstanding the reputational damage that may have been done by the recent panorama mess-up, the BBC is still a source of soft power for the UK internationally, and I think it would be a mistake to lose that.

I also think that, while there are some issues around the governance and management of the BBC which clearly need sorting out, I do actually think that there is still a place for a broadcaster that isn't driven purely by commercial priorities. So I support continued state funding for the BBC, but I would be inclined to scrap the license fee and fund it through general taxation instead. The FCO could fund BBC World Service and foreign language broadcasting, and the Dept for Media, Culture & Sport could fund the domestic offering, perhaps with contributions from other departments where appropriate.

OctaviaC74 · 10/11/2025 17:16

EasternStandard · 10/11/2025 17:14

That’s not a problem, the radio isn’t part of the fee.

Oh so you think the radio side of things costs nothing to run?

Of course its funded by the licence fee, with world service getting some govt grant

EasternStandard · 10/11/2025 17:17

OctaviaC74 · 10/11/2025 17:16

Oh so you think the radio side of things costs nothing to run?

Of course its funded by the licence fee, with world service getting some govt grant

If they did a subscription for radio I’d be ok with that.

OctaviaC74 · 10/11/2025 17:17

Whammyammy · 10/11/2025 17:15

Listening to bbc radio doesn't require people to have a licence 🤷‍♂️

Someone else who things the Radio side of things costs nothing to run 😂

Impossible to enforce subs for radio, over night, anyone with radio would find it doesn't work, inc cars.

EasternStandard · 10/11/2025 17:20

OctaviaC74 · 10/11/2025 17:17

Someone else who things the Radio side of things costs nothing to run 😂

Impossible to enforce subs for radio, over night, anyone with radio would find it doesn't work, inc cars.

Edited

Since you’re the only one posting that probably not.

OctaviaC74 · 10/11/2025 17:21

EasternStandard · 10/11/2025 17:20

Since you’re the only one posting that probably not.

You said it, you were wrong, with no clue to how the BBC is run or funded but full of silly ideas.

EasternStandard · 10/11/2025 17:21

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 10/11/2025 17:15

Personally, I would be more than happy to pay for it as a subscription service. I get more than my money's worth from BBC radio alone.

But notwithstanding the reputational damage that may have been done by the recent panorama mess-up, the BBC is still a source of soft power for the UK internationally, and I think it would be a mistake to lose that.

I also think that, while there are some issues around the governance and management of the BBC which clearly need sorting out, I do actually think that there is still a place for a broadcaster that isn't driven purely by commercial priorities. So I support continued state funding for the BBC, but I would be inclined to scrap the license fee and fund it through general taxation instead. The FCO could fund BBC World Service and foreign language broadcasting, and the Dept for Media, Culture & Sport could fund the domestic offering, perhaps with contributions from other departments where appropriate.

Taxation is even worse. At least people can opt out now.

EssaDiTractor96 · 10/11/2025 17:21

Changes definitely need to be made, but they get criticized by both the left and the right so I think generally they are doing something right.

Apart from the FT, every other media outlet brays hysterically and in a completely partisan way. And we simply do not have a reading / viewing public that has sufficient critical thinking skills to be able to distinguish the truth from the bias.

The BBC needs to take the necessary steps within the news arm to ensure it can continue to be a trusted source of news. But it shouldn't be done away with entirely.

EasternStandard · 10/11/2025 17:22

OctaviaC74 · 10/11/2025 17:21

You said it, you were wrong, with no clue to how the BBC is run or funded but full of silly ideas.

No I said you don’t need the licence to listen to the radio. That is the case.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 10/11/2025 17:23

EasternStandard · 10/11/2025 17:21

Taxation is even worse. At least people can opt out now.

I know that some people will think taxation is worse. I am merely stating that this would be my preference.

Since I haven't yet achieved world domination, you needn't worry!

Whammyammy · 10/11/2025 17:23

OctaviaC74 · 10/11/2025 17:17

Someone else who things the Radio side of things costs nothing to run 😂

Impossible to enforce subs for radio, over night, anyone with radio would find it doesn't work, inc cars.

Edited

I don't listen to bbc radio, haven't for years since DAB came out.
I simply don't care what bbc radio costs, sames as the drivel they air on tv

KateShugakIsALegend · 10/11/2025 17:28

OctaviaC74 · 10/11/2025 17:03

I think sometimes they are, sometimes they are not.

Which means they've pretty much got it right, though on news, i find Sky, overall, is more balanced.

Do they get it right all the time? no.

As evidenced by the links I and @PencilsInSpace posted above

ohdelay · 10/11/2025 17:33

There was no need to manipulate the speech, but they just couldn't resist and the trust is gone now. If they can do that with a very high profile speech covered by many agencies, what else do they routinely trim and edit to make their desired message clearer. I was actually shocked at how blatant it was and the timing before the US election makes me think it was deliberately misleading and hoping to influence the vote. We're so quick to criticise Russian media when we get spoon fed agendas all the time too.

SerendipityJane · 10/11/2025 17:36

Whammyammy · 10/11/2025 17:23

I don't listen to bbc radio, haven't for years since DAB came out.
I simply don't care what bbc radio costs, sames as the drivel they air on tv

Ah. DAB. Another example of the BBC doing it's own thing.

Badly.

Floisme · 10/11/2025 17:41

What the next Director General could say:

‘Due to the gravity of all the allegations against the BBC, my first step on taking up my post will be to refer ourselves for an independent investigation. I do not think it would be appropriate for us to conduct the investigation ourselves. In the meantime I would like to assure our licence payers that I will move heaven and earth to make sure this is a thorough and honest process and I thank all those who stick with us.’

Yes I paraphrase but I assume they will be more eloquent and polished than I am.

I know it wouldn’t satisfy everyone but, speaking strictly for me, it would go some way to reassuring me that they have the will to sort this out.

It’s never too late to do the right thing, BBC (and maybe also save your arses).

Kulwinder54 · 10/11/2025 17:47

The cover up of Jimmy Saville should have been enough for it to have been ditched for good.