Is this a good result?

[underthetrees1234]

New poster. DD (21) plead guilty for perverting course of justice. Three charges, concurrent etc. First offence, MH issues etc and she got 18 months suspended for 18 months and 12 month Mental health treatment requirement. I didn’t have chance to ask solicitor/ barrister what he thought on result but I just think this seems a little harsh? I thought a community order. I won’t go into much detailed but she told multiple lies etc to police. NO one was arrested as a result of her lies. she had MH issues. Probation recommend community order so I I think this seems harsh tbh. Any one any experience.

Thanks for this. Lots of resources were wasted. She gave interviews lots of police attendances and phone work. I just thought they would go with probation. She is genuinely very mental unwell (not an excuse I know) now I am realising she was probably lucky with her sentence

She has a serious issue with lying. She’s lied about Cancer etc. she been diagnosed with a personality disorder, harm ocd and bipolar. I pray she gets better.

It doesn’t matter if no one got arrested because of her lies the important fact is that they could have. False allegations can ruin someone’s life, cost them their job or relationship and even lead to suicide.

I’m sorry for your daughter’s mental health issues but it’s no excuse and the punishment seems to fit the crime.

Agree with this.

I think you need to be very thankful that your daughter received a suspended sentence, rather than a custodial. Your daughter made false allegations, against, I assume a specific person, of threats to kill. That person could have been arrested and even given prison time due to your daughter's lies. The person she made allegations against could potentially be suffering from MH issues due to those allegations and there's been cases of where victims end up committing suicide. Hopefully, your daughter will now start receiving the MH support she clearly badly needs.

I appreciate this, but she did get a custodial sentence, albeit not immediate but still a custodial.

This sounds so difficult and I really feel for you as her mum.

For the police, this will be a difficult situation for the police to manage, going forwards, because whilst we will mark her record with her diagnoses, hopefully, any future reports she makes still need to be taken seriously (but maybe with a pinch of salt knowing her preponderance for lying).

I really hope she gets some therapy and treatment and can live happily in the future.
Best of luck OP

I'm sorry that your daughter is having such serious MH problems and of course as her mother it's right that you stand by her and support her, but I dont think minimising what she's done will help.

The person who she has accused will no doubt have experienced stress and perhaps even MH problems of their own as a result of these allegations. They'll have suffered defamation and suspicion - there's no smoke without fire, eh?

It's also very unhelpful to the perception of real cases like this.

I also see this as a positive outcome for your daughter - she has to have mental health support and for a significant period. That gives her a real chance to try and understand her conditions, manage them and become stable on any helpful medication. And to get a real support system. She's also been given a second chance with the suspended sentence. It sounds as if the judge thought it was too serious to be dealt with via a community order.

I actually know someone who was given a 2 year sentence for perverting the course of justice so a suspended sentence seems like a good result to me.

Oh really. I’m starting to realise she was very lucky.

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Also, mental health treatment requirements are REALLY hard to get (as with everything else mental health) so she's very lucky to have the support she needs. Hopefully with the threat of a suspended over her head she will engage well with this and it will be a turning point for her.

i need some more advice. She doesn’t seem to be able to stop lying. I really don’t know what to do. I had to tell family members she’s gone into remission with cancer etc. is this something mental health team will address?

I'd say fair.. the sentence is suspended, and the mental health treatment is clearly needed

I would start with getting yourself some decent therapy to support you. They will help you figure out whether you should be enabling her or she needs to face the consequences of her lies.

So she potentially could have ruined an innocent person's life?
Sounds like she got off lightly tbh

Yeah, I’m willing to pay. What type do I even need? CBT?

She didn’t though. Not that this an excuse but it is and was a mitigating factor.

Why the hell are you indulging her lies?

She’s been through a lot of abuse etc. she is vulnerable and my baby. I know I shouldn’t but I just can’t help it.

She's not going to prison, even though she could have done, so I don't understand why you are do upset. She just has to make sure she complies with the courts instructions.

Are you worried because you don't think she will?

Whilst her history may be a mitigating factor it doesn't mean she has a free pass to break the law for the rest of her life, she needs to address the challenges she faces. You could be more helpful by supporting and encouraging her to do that rather than wringing your hands over the court treating your baby too harshly.

She's wasted public resources but her actions haven't led to the destruction of someone else's life, which they could easily have done, so try to be grateful for that.

@underthetrees1234 my grandmother was a parent like you to some of her children (the male ones).

4 utterly useless, ruined men unable to life effectively in this world. That’s what enabling your child in this way gets you.

Everyone claims MH when they get caught ive got no pitty for them ive been there and been blamed, when truth comes out its MH SEN past abuse that made them do it.

No one gives a fuck about the ones that have been dragged through shit because of some drama queen.

Sorry op i have been on the other side.

People have done much worse than her and don’t get caught or indeed the sentenced she got!